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[KaiserShep]

If she's playing the Warden, I imagine that it makes it a surprise to her if a male human noble decides at the last minute "Welp, I guess I'll be king then!" It's even funnier if the female human noble decides to rule alongside Alistair and push Anora out entirely at the Landsmeet after agreeing to show support prior.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

when does Howe suggest killing Anora to Loghain. Have never come up with that.

It's only available if you reach Friendly status with Loghain, I think. I posted the video earlier in this thread if you want to see/hear it.

[Shadow of Light Dragon]

I could have sworn someone mentioned the incident when if you don't back down from Cauthrien, Anora lies as if she has nothing to do with being there.
 
I'm about to go to sleep, so I don't want to look up the posts now. Not sure if you were the poster in question? I can't keep track, and I'm tired. If you have never mentioned Howe, then I'm not sure why we're talking.

I mentioned Howe, but I never said he and Anora were working together (which you seemed to think I was, from your response).

In any case, yes, Anora lies if you betray her presence to Ser Cauthrien after she warns you not to.

[Xetykins]

I think she knows her father has lost it, and she's genuinely concerned about how to handle the blight.
 
That's what I get out of those intermission cutscenes.
 
That doesn't mean she isn't political and duplicitous, but I don't need to invent conspiracies for her every action. She'd have to be mentally retarded to merely care about power and not about these other serious matters.

Yet she betrays the warden the first instance he/she gives indication that loghain would be punished or not supporting her claims. She already knows about the joining, which to me was a shocker. No reason why she does not know about how the archdemon is killed too :-)

I dont think you need to invent any conspiracies. All her actions are already full of it which keeps you busy trying to unravel them.
Crying wolf was the first.

[KaiserShep]

I always wondered if Anora's surprise knowledge of the Joining was some kind of faux pas in the writing of that scene, so that someone else other than Riordan can weigh in on making the case for sparing Loghain. Heck, you learn from Nathaniel Howe that he was always ashamed of his grandfather because he simply had no idea how he disappeared.

 

The only thing I could guess may account for having more knowledge of the Joining than even the human noble Warden is that Cailan's super enthusiastic interest in the Grey Wardens led him to finding certain things out, even if lacking in the gritty details.

[Ryzaki]

I can't blame her for turning on you at the Cauthrian encounter. You're showing yourself to be bloodthirsty and non-negotiable. Scary for someone like her.

 

Not that you shouldn't do it though. It's a fun fight. I just don't think people should expect a stranger to like it.

 

Oh I don't. I totally headcanon my warrior cousland walking into Eamon's estate splattered with blood giving Anora the "go ahead try something b*tch" look.

[Milan92]

I always wondered if Anora's surprise knowledge of the Joining was some kind of faux pas in the writing of that scene, so that someone else other than Riordan can weigh in on making the case for sparing Loghain. Heck, you learn from Nathaniel Howe that he was always ashamed of his grandfather because he simply had no idea how he disappeared.

 

The only thing I could guess may account for having more knowledge of the Joining than even the human noble Warden is that Cailan's super enthusiastic interest in the Grey Wardens led him to finding certain things out, even if lacking in the gritty details.

 

The whole landsmeet was one big writing mess. Riordan who comes up with a very dumb reason to spare Loghain, but then doesn't come up for Alistair when Anora calls for his execution. The fact that Anora apperantly knows about the dangers of the joining. Alistair who acts like a child and leaves when he doesn't get his way. (okay that wasn't really bad writing, just stupid)

[KaiserShep]

Yeah it never really occurred to me for a long time, because I never spared Loghain, but thinking about it, it's like that scene only really works under a few conditions. In this scenario, Riordan should also protest if a hardened Alistair decides to abandon the party to simply take his place as king, because they technically still need as many Wardens leading the assault in order to increase their chances of defeating the archdemon. I find that simply killing Loghain outright and keeping Alistair in the party allows me to not have to think about that scene much.

[Ryzaki]

The whole landsmeet was one big writing mess. Riordan who comes up with a very dumb reason to spare Loghain, but then doesn't come up for Alistair when Anora calls for his execution. The fact that Anora apperantly knows about the dangers of the joining. Alistair who acts like a child and leaves when he doesn't get his way. (okay that wasn't really bad writing, just stupid)

 

Not to mention all that GW making batter and it's only used on Loghain. I know it'd make Morrigan's DR a complete non issue if you could sacrifice some red shirt but that doesn't make the absence of being able to do it any less ridiculous.

[KaiserShep]

Heh, Ser Leeroyan Jenkinsen taking one for the team.

[Milan92]

Not to mention all that GW making batter and it's only used on Loghain. I know it'd make Morrigan's DR a complete non issue if you could sacrifice some red shirt but that doesn't make the absence of being able to do it any less ridiculous.

 

Yeah, you'd think the ferelden army could spare atleast 20 soldiers to undergo the joining in order to create more numbers.

 

But no. Only Loghain can become a GW....because reasons! 

 

For the record, I always spare Loghain because I love his character so much, but Riordan's reasons were just really stupid.

[themikefest]

I never liked Anora. I believe if she was to play ME3, she would pick the control ending.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah, you'd think the ferelden army could spare atleast 20 soldiers to undergo the joining in order to create more numbers.

 

But no. Only Loghain can become a GW....because reasons! 

 

For the record, I always spare Loghain because I love his character so much, but Riordan's reasons were just really stupid.

 

Yep.

 

There can be only be one!

 

It really is. And so is his refusing to explain himself.

[Milan92]

Yep.

 

There can be only be one!

 

It really is. And so is his refusing to explain himself.

 

Its one of the reasons why I think people who kill off Loghain aren't wrong either. Not only for what he has done (slavery, bad Loghain, bad) but unless you meta game (his camp dialogue is really awesome), there is literally no good reason to keep Loghain alive.

 

We should have just tied up Riordan after the landsmeet and then throw him at the Archdemon with a blade after we took it down. Instead of him doing his own epic heroic thing that gets him killed.

[Xetykins]

Oh I don't. I totally headcanon my warrior cousland walking into Eamon's estate splattered with blood giving Anora the "go ahead try something b*tch" look.

I kinda like the idea. So badarse!

[DesstinyMaker]

I just recently replayed Origins, and I was REALLY annoyed when I went to Riordan before the Landsmeet. My Warden specifically asked him if there was anything important we needed to know as the final conflict approached, and he just blathered something about being firm in my beliefs and to support my Warden brothers.

 

And yes, Riordan both interrupts the Landsmeet because we MUST INCREASE OUR NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!! but seeks neither to recruit somebody - anybody!- other than Loghain OR to protest the possibility of losing Alistair - who, love him or hate him, is a 100% living, breathing, successfully converted Warden completely capable of killing the Archdemon with no further negotiations required.

 

That's just stupid.  It would never, ever happen. Nobody in their right mind would let a fully fledged Warden go on the off hope that this new, much older man might possibly survive the Joining.  Never. Riordan is completely incompetent, and this whole mess is his fault.

[Ryzaki]

That's a point that had existed for me well before the Landsmeet. After the disaster of Ostagar, I think the first dialogue I pick with Alistair and Flemeth is "We need the find the other Grey Wardens". Or "Where are the Grey Wardens?" And "I'm not taking on a suicide mission".

 

Same but I kind of got what they were trying to say. basically if you headed to Orlais you were abandoning Fereldan to it's fate cause it would take you too long to get there and chances are you weren't going back.

 

 

Its one of the reasons why I think people who kill off Loghain aren't wrong either. Not only for what he has done (slavery, bad Loghain, bad) but unless you meta game (his camp dialogue is really awesome), there is literally no good reason to keep Loghain alive.

 

We should have just tied up Riordan after the landsmeet and then throw him at the Archdemon with a blade after we took it down. Instead of him doing his own epic heroic thing that gets him killed.

 

Yeah that scene is just all kinds of badly written.

 

Yeah. Someone clearly should've taught Riordan archery or something. You don't need to jump on a damn dragon's back to wound it. I picture my warden closing her eyes going "goddamnit you dumb ass."

[Jaison1986]

I just recently replayed Origins, and I was REALLY annoyed when I went to Riordan before the Landsmeet. My Warden specifically asked him if there was anything important we needed to know as the final conflict approached, and he just blathered something about being firm in my beliefs and to support my Warden brothers.

 

And yes, Riordan both interrupts the Landsmeet because we MUST INCREASE OUR NUMBERS!!!!!!!!!!! but seeks neither to recruit somebody - anybody!- other than Loghain OR to protest the possibility of losing Alistair - who, love him or hate him, is a 100% living, breathing, successfully converted Warden completely capable of killing the Archdemon with no further negotiations required.

 

That's just stupid.  It would never, ever happen. Nobody in their right mind would let a fully fledged Warden go on the off hope that this new, much older man might possibly survive the Joining.  Never. Riordan is completely incompetent, and this whole mess is his fault.

 

Good thing he dies in the game. Interesting how pretty much all the veteran wardens we meet seem to be an bunch of oportunistic and uncaring jackasses. There is Duncan, Riordan, Straud (altough, less so), Larius, Janeka. Aways using others for their own ends.

[Darkly Tranquil]

Good thing he dies in the game. Interesting how pretty much all the veteran wardens we meet seem to be an bunch of oportunistic and uncaring jackasses. There is Duncan, Riordan, Straud (altough, less so), Larius, Janeka. Aways using others for their own ends.

 

Is it self-serving, or is it serving the interests of the Grey Wardens? The Wardens seem to be ruthlessly pragmatic, so anything that advances their mission is justified. I don't think their actions are motivated by personal selfishness, just a relentless focus on the objectives of the order.

[Frostfyre]

Is it self-serving, or is it serving the interests of the Grey Wardens? The Wardens seem to be ruthlessly pragmatic, so anything that advances their mission is justified. I don't think their actions are motivated by personal selfishness, just a relentless focus on the objectives of the order.

 

Pretty much. "The End justifies the means" and all that jazz as long as the job gets done.