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[-TC1989-]

You make some good points TC, but there are other compelling reasons for wanting Loghain dead, which have absolutely nothing to do with Alistair (I agree that his leaving is reprehensible.)

 

For the record, let's ignore Ostagar, because I don't think it counts against him.

 

Let's take the Cousland Origin. Do you really think a Cousland would spare the life of a man who has not only let Howe live, but actually rewarded him for murdering the Teryn of Highever, his family, and every single innocent inside? Loghain may not have drawn blood, but that blood is still on his hands. He profited from their deaths. Putting that much faith in a man who tortures and kills rival nobles, steals from the treasury, and even kidnaps his own daughter does not make me think much of Loghains' judgement.

 

His daughter is little better. Yes, betray your rescuer. Let your city rot and do nothing while a Civil War rages and a Blight destroys the lands.

 

I never considered Loghain a good person, or a person I even liked. And I wouldn't say I'm devoting that much faith to him, I'm using his skill, and devotion to Ferelden to help our cause.The difference we will continue to have, is that people like to focus more on their personal feelings (which I typically do too, depending), where as I look at it as what gives Ferelden the best chance to fight off this blight? Part of the reason I give Loghain the slip, is because he has nothing to gain at this point. The only thing he could do now is walk over to the darkspawn, and ask for an application form.

 

Do I trust Loghain personally? No, but I trust him to die protecting the country he loves.

 

I never thought about "well, what happens after the blight?", because I focus on one problem at a time. As a Cousland, it did bother me that it had to be Loghain, but like I said earlier in another post.... even if it was Howe, if there was a legitimate reason to keep him around, I would listen. Of course we will never know, since we killed him in the cellar, so.... that won't be happening.

 

As I also said, I would leave Loghain to war, and keep him there. He has no place running anything like a kingdom, or a country. But I believe he still has a very capable mind, and a very big military presence. But that is moot in itself, since now (in my case) he is a Warden, so he has other responsibilities to deal with.

 

As far as Anora goes, I believe in her ability to lead. People loved her, and she was clearly the more capable one between her and Cailan. She could be called a few names, but I feel what she did was usually necessary.

 

 

Frankly, my Cousland Queen has had enough of all three of them. Ferelden will recover after they are gone.

 

 

Assuming from what you say, you killed Loghain, and ran off Anora? It's just me, but getting rid of both of them would make me think it would only hurt the chances of Ferelden surviving. Getting rid of your biggest military figure, and arguably your strongest political figure? But you said Queen Cousland, so I guess that only impacts me.

[WarriorOfLight999]

@ X Equestris: That's usually the best answer anyone can come up with in regards to Loghain and Howe. I counter with this: Loghain could have made an ally out of any of the nobles in the Landsmeet had he killed Howe and brokered a deal with the most powerful of them. How many could have been vassals, lords, or friends to Teryn Cousland? Indeed, who would turn down the Arling of Denerim if Loghain had bartered it off?

 

@ TC: Having another Warden is a good thing, I grant that. And the man does love Ferelden. Depending on the Origin in mind, I can see sparing him as acceptable. But as a Cousland? Never. Not in a thousand years.

 

On Anora, I will say this: Look at Denerim. It is rotten and decayed. Many places are simply not safe to travel in due to bandits. The architecture looks like its being held together by gum. All of that cannot be due to the Blight. There are also no foreign allegiances. Any aid from another country (except Orlais) would have been good to have, yet I see nothing. And if she takes the throne by herself, she does not remarry to sire children, which would solidify her grasp on both the throne and Gwaren. Foolish.

 

EDIT: A response to your question: In my Cousland save, Loghain and Vaughan are both dead. Anora is imprisoned. Eamon is NOT Chancellor (Because I dislike him immensely. He is unworthy). A Hardened Alistair rules alongside the Queen, who is pretty much in charge.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

On Anora, I will say this: Look at Denerim. It is rotten and decayed. Many places are simply not safe to travel in due to bandits. The architecture looks like its being held together by gum. All of that cannot be due to the Blight. There are also no foreign allegiances. Any aid from another country (except Orlais) would have been good to have, yet I see nothing. And if she takes the throne by herself, she does not remarry to sire children, which would solidify her grasp on both the throne and Gwaren. Foolish.

Apparently in DA2 it is established that (at least) one of the nobles in Kirkwall was acting on behalf of Ferelden to get it some aid. I will grant you a partial point with Denerim, but it should be noted that the capital is not directly under her control.

[WarriorOfLight999]

True. The Kendalls do not impress me as a whole. I hope the next one who takes up the reins of Arl of Denerim does a better job.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

True. The Kendalls do not impress me as a whole. I hope the next one who takes up the reins of Arl of Denerim does a better job.

I actually freed him in two playthroughs and didn't notice him on my first. (I wish the Keep had asked me this. I was looking forward to seeing him again. Possibly as an even worse villain to be put down, or maybe as a broken, repentant wreck who eventually figured out what a monster he'd been.)

[WarriorOfLight999]

His kind rarely repent. Ego blinds them all to consequence, or justifies it. I suspect his fate was not in the Keep, because many killed him.

[-TC1989-]

@ TC: Having another Warden is a good thing, I grant that. And the man does love Ferelden. Depending on the Origin in mind, I can see sparing him as acceptable. But as a Cousland? Never. Not in a thousand years.

 

 

Well again, you saw the handling of Loghain on a personal level, I did not. I looked at it in a more political stance. I mean, I would even give Howe a chance if the argument was sound, and the situation was similar to Loghains. And this is the same guy that told me he made my mother kiss his feet before he killed her. So.... yeah Loghain wasn't any worse from a personal stand point for me.

 

 

On Anora, I will say this: Look at Denerim. It is rotten and decayed. Many places are simply not safe to travel in due to bandits. The architecture looks like its being held together by gum. All of that cannot be due to the Blight. There are also no foreign allegiances. Any aid from another country (except Orlais) would have been good to have, yet I see nothing. And if she takes the throne by herself, she does not remarry to sire children, which would solidify her grasp on both the throne and Gwaren. Foolish.

 

 

To sort of echo Riverdaleswhiteflash, I wouldn't necessarily put all the blame on Anora for Denerim. I think to question her as a leader under that scenario alone is sort of unfair to her honestly.

 

 

 

EDIT: A response to your question: In my Cousland save, Loghain and Vaughan are both dead. Anora is imprisoned. Eamon is NOT Chancellor (Because I dislike him immensely. He is unworthy). A Hardened Alistair rules alongside the Queen, who is pretty much in charge.

 

 

Okay in my situation... I was a male Cousland who ended up ruling with Anora. I was set to have Alistair take the throne, but the way he handled himself at the Landsmeet killed that for me. I let Loghain live, and used him to help us stop the blight, and restore Ferelden.

 

But in your case, I have to say.... you sound like you have a Anora/Cailan 2.0 thing going on. Nothing bad, just saying... 

[WarriorOfLight999]

No, that's a fair assessment. It's just realism, really. Alistair can't be expected to know how to rule immediately. Unlike Anora, my Cousland is teaching Alistair how to rule. In time, he will be a proper King.

[DinkyD]

The work of the Warden's seems done? You mean the Archdemon running around freely at this point is a good time to close shop and walk away? Come on. He knows enough to know that Wardens are vital to stopping a blight, and even if he somehow didn't, what do you think would be the point of the Warden's then? You think surviving the joining would mean entering the life of collecting treaties and killing darkspawn here and there? I felt in my first play through.... there is something going on that they are not telling me. Why is the joining, and everything so final? Why do I dream of the Archdemon specifically? What does this all mean? The fact that Alistair is that short sighted is on him, and seeing him put himself before everything else ultimately makes me glad the Wardens won't use him.

 

As far as Loghain goes, I've said enough on him in earlier posts. It would be stupid for him to simply obey Cailan, and throw his life away to be "loyal". And Loghain would fight and die happily for Ferelden, so you're right, it is hardly comparable.... just not in the way you think.

 

 

 

 

 

Considering when he walks away? He is not only betraying his precious Duncan, or his oath to the Wardens, but his bloodline as a whole. At that point people would know that King Maric's son deserted. I would say when you look at it that way, yeah it does make a bigger deal. To be honest, while I appreciated the help from people like Zevran, Sten or Leliana.... Ferelden is not their home, nor their problem. They are choosing to help fight. So I never held the same expectation from them like I did Alistair.

 

 

 

 

Well lets look at some things then. You join the Wardens, you will know what to expect from drinking that blood. You can stomp your feet and denounce the Wardens, but we know it doesn't work like that. Duncan would kill people over knowing even how to join the Wardens, let alone for desertion. I mention Duncan, because that is the only person Alistair gives a crap for. If Alistair knew how strongly Duncan held on to his beliefs (which he did), he should have made an effort to understand for his sake. Alistair knew that being a Warden meant something very deeply, but he got selfish. If you were a Warden, and Riordan pleaded with you to stick it out, you would say "nah Loghain gets to live, if the country dies, not my problem."? If things like this happened in real life, Alistair would be executed so fast. Whether you think its morally wrong or whatever, it's the law.

 

What boggles my mind, is that people hold this firm belief, that if Alistair gets his feelings hurt, Ferelden should die for it. Do you really think that Riordan truly wanted to keep Loghain alive because they were pals? He kept him alive, because we need any body that can fight, let alone a body that can stop the blight. The fact that Alistair got so into himself at that point speaks volumes to me. But somehow, that is purely opinion.

 

You as a player may have sussed there was more to being a Grey Warden than a pledge to end the blight, but that doesn't mean you can expect in game characters to have the same insight. Characters can't be expected to be familiar with the conventions of the genre in which they appear.

 

The civil war is over. The Orlesian Wardens are on the borders - in a few weeks there will be the entire force of Orlesian wardens in ferelden. And Alistair can have no idea that the archedemon will suddenly make a move.

 

Alistair has fought by your side and will offer to kill the archdemon and indeed insists on it in certain circumstances. So yes, he is willing to fight and die to save Ferelden. But like pretty much all the other characters, he has a line he won't cross. And unlike Loghain, he doesn't offer to die partly out of a sense of guilt and a need for atonement.

 

I'm not saying that Alistair is right - it was a hot headed move, one that might not be made after sober reflection. But I can understand it and I just find it bizarre that some seem to be comparing Loghain's crimes to what he does.

 

 

You must really hate Anora. She coolly refuses to swear fealty at a critical moment, deliberately leaving Ferelden in a state of civil war. Furthermore, she can fully see the consequences of her actions.  If the country doesn't unite and falls to the darkspawn, then, following the same logic, she has the blood of the entire country on her hands.

[sylvanaerie]

Well again, you saw the handling of Loghain on a personal level, I did not. I looked at it in a more political stance. I mean, I would even give Howe a chance if the argument was sound, and the situation was similar to Loghains. And this is the same guy that told me he made my mother kiss his feet before he killed her. So.... yeah Loghain wasn't any worse from a personal stand point for me.

 

 

 

 

To sort of echo Riverdaleswhiteflash, I wouldn't necessarily put all the blame on Anora for Denerim. I think to question her as a leader under that scenario alone is sort of unfair to her honestly.

 

 

 

 

 

Okay in my situation... I was a male Cousland who ended up ruling with Anora. I was set to have Alistair take the throne, but the way he handled himself at the Landsmeet killed that for me. I let Loghain live, and used him to help us stop the blight, and restore Ferelden.

 

But in your case, I have to say.... you sound like you have a Anora/Cailan 2.0 thing going on. Nothing bad, just saying... 

 

 

No, that's a fair assessment. It's just realism, really. Alistair can't be expected to know how to rule immediately. Unlike Anora, my Cousland is teaching Alistair how to rule. In time, he will be a proper King.

 

Wondering if ya'll have ever married Alistair to Anora.  Unhardened, it pretty much is Cailan/Anora 2.0.  Hardened, she teaches him, and he surprises her with his eagerness to learn and ability to lead.  Furthermore, if Anora is in the picture, Eamon returns to Redcliffe and his duties there.  While not good for either of them on a personal level, Anora + Alistair is good for Ferelden.  It unites the blood of Calanhad, and keeps the rulership stable, eliminating the civil war for even those who supported Loghain would no doubt get behind his daughter as well.  He humanizes her rule (no nasty revolts being put down) and she has the strength to make those hard choices he finds difficult.

 

While I find the Alistair + Anora to be a good option, I believe the best combo is Male Cousland + Anora, and it isn't a case of my ego.  While Fergus is the heir apparent, PC Cousland is trained from the cradle to lead, to govern in the event Fergus cannot (that's assuming birthright goes to the eldest).  He already has a step up on Alistair, and Anora was trained for years to be Cailan's queen as well.  Female Cousland may have the same training, but she's also coming at it from an "Anora position", being capable, but with a king who needs a lot of help.  I'd say that puts the situation on a par with Anora + Alistair.  Both decent outcomes for Ferelden, except from a personal standpoint better for Alistair and his wife because they love one another.  The only sticky part is, the exception of there being no progeny to rule once he and his queen go to their Calling.  I doubt Anora + Alistair will produce any children either, but at least the chances are better than Warden + Warden pairing.

 

There really is no 'wrong or right' in this instance, though, unless you put unhardened Alistair on the throne, Ferelden will do just fine. 

 

As for Loghain, he died in the Landsmeet in all but one of my games (just for the achievement) and then flung himself on the Archdemon.  I didn't even marry Anora on my Cousland, just let her rule alone and my boy went traveling with Leliana after the Blight--didn't even play Awakenings with him.

[WarriorOfLight999]

Ferelden will do just fine

 

I hope you're right.

 

[DinkyD]

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There really is no 'wrong or right' in this instance, though, unless you put unhardened Alistair on the throne, Ferelden will do just fine. 

 

What does unhardened Alistair as King do or not do?

[sylvanaerie]

What does unhardened Alistair as King do or not do?

 

He leaves ruling to either Anora (if married to her), Eamon or the Warden (if married, she's his mistress or Chancellor).  It's the perfect set up for a power hungry character to leave Alistair unhardened and put him on the throne.  He ends up running off every chance he gets to blow off his monarch duties.

[DinkyD]

He leaves ruling to either Anora (if married to her), Eamon or the Warden (if married, she's his mistress or Chancellor).  It's the perfect set up for a power hungry character to leave Alistair unhardened and put him on the throne.  He ends up running off every chance he gets to blow off his monarch duties.

 

Is that bad for Ferelden though rather than just not being as good as other outcomes? Anora/Cailan seemed to be fine for the country - well until Ostagar. And Anora does alright on her own i understand. And the warden is meant to be the super hero of Ferelden perfectly capable in all things, so seems wise decision to leave Ferelden in his/her hands! I thought you meant everything went to ruin something.

[sylvanaerie]

Is that bad for Ferelden though rather than just not being as good as other outcomes? Anora/Cailan seemed to be fine for the country - well until Ostagar. And Anora does alright on her own i understand. And the warden is meant to be the super hero of Ferelden perfectly capable in all things, so seems wise decision to leave Ferelden in his/her hands! I thought you meant everything went to ruin something.

It really depends on how you roleplayed the situation.  Just because your warden is the super hero of Ferelden, he may have his own agenda and be seeking a means to power for himself.  Or if not, you leave Ferelden basically in the hands of Eamon, who...well, I don't like Eamon because I think he is grasping at the throne.  He does have Ferelden's best interests at heart at least, but when I put Alistair solo on the throne, my Warden always stayed as his Counselor.  And I never put him on the throne unhardened.  At least hardened Alistair is somewhat more capable and less averse to ruling.  Just my own take on the situation.  

Technically, I suppose the game assumes your warden is a decent person and puts Ferelden first, but if not...well history/fiction is full of manipulative puppetmasters who abused their power.  Grima Wormtongue(sp) comes to mind.

[Monica21]

Is that bad for Ferelden though rather than just not being as good as other outcomes? Anora/Cailan seemed to be fine for the country - well until Ostagar. And Anora does alright on her own i understand. And the warden is meant to be the super hero of Ferelden perfectly capable in all things, so seems wise decision to leave Ferelden in his/her hands! I thought you meant everything went to ruin something.

 

Depending on how you read the letters found in RtO, Cailan/Anora is bad, mostly because there will likely not be an Anora in the picture soon. The best outcome for Ferelden (per the epilogue slides at least) is a Male Cousland/Anora and second best is hardened Alistair/Anora. My canon Warden is female and hardens Alistair, spares Loghain, then marries Alistair to Anora. It's better for Alistair and frankly, better for Ferelden to at least have a Theirin on the throne, and my Warden has no interest in ruling or in marrying Alistair.

[TheLastArchivist]

Loghain is not the bogey man DA:origins makes him out to be.

Read Stolen Throne. Maric would've been dead long gone and Alistair would never even had been born if not for him.

 

The guy was a war hero bigtime. The way he saw it, Cailan was going to undo all the hard work he and Maric did to fight for the Independence of Ferelden.

 

Too bad he underestimated the Blight. If he knew only Wardens could kill an Archdemon, he sure as hell wouldn't have let the GWs die in Ostagar. He miscalculated. 

And the cretin ideas he had regarding the torture of a noble, selling elves and assassinating the Warden were all Howe's. Loghain only cared about ending the war and saving Ferelden.

He was not a psycopath and torturer. But Rendon Howe was. He trusted the wrong advisor.

 

Get your facts, people.

[DinkyD]

Loghain is not the bogey man DA:origins makes him out to be.

Read Stolen Throne. Maric would've been dead long gone and Alistair would never even had been born if not for him.

 

The guy was a war hero bigtime. The way he saw it, Cailan was going to undo all the hard work he and Maric did to fight for the Independence of Ferelden.

 

Too bad he underestimated the Blight. If he knew only Wardens could kill an Archdemon, he sure as hell wouldn't have let the GWs die in Ostagar. He miscalculated. 

And the cretin ideas he had regarding the torture of a noble, selling elves and assassinating the Warden were all Howe's. Loghain only cared about ending the war and saving Ferelden.

He was not a psycopath and torturer. But Rendon Howe was. He trusted the wrong advisor.

 

Get your facts, people.

 

No one denies that Loghain thought he had good reasons, or forgets that he was a war hero.

 

But good reasons do not excuse every and any action. Tyrants in general believe they are acting for the common good. No one ever says "I did it just because I was mean and evil WHAHAHA!" And, If only cared about ending the war, why did he not step down in favour of his own daughter, and then assumed control of her armies? Him declaring himself regent is something I don't understand it was totally unnecessary. He got arrogant, and started to assume that nothing was wrong as long it was for the cause, including sheltering and allying himself with Howe.

 

Howe was responsible for the slavery? That passed me by.

[Lady Artifice]

No one denies that Loghain thought he had good reasons, or forgets that he was a war hero.
 
But good reasons do not excuse every and any action. Tyrants in general believe they are acting for the common good. No one ever says "I did it just because I was mean and evil WHAHAHA!" And, If only cared about ending the war, why did he not step down in favour of his own daughter, and then assumed control of her armies? Him declaring himself regent is something I don't understand it was totally unnecessary. He got arrogant, and started to assume that nothing was wrong as long it was for the cause, including sheltering and allying himself with Howe.
 
Howe was responsible for the slavery? That passed me by.

Indeed. No one here doubts Loghain's intentions. It's his actions that are under scrutiny.

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Howe was responsible for the slavery? That passed me by.

Apparently Word Of Gaider is that Loghain had no idea it was going on, and signed off on a Tevinter presence because he bought the story about the plague. He finds out by the time of the Landsmeet, hence why he's not completely blindsided. (I usually accept Word Of Gaider, but this bit is too much. I would have accepted it if there was any evidence in game.)

[DinkyD]

Apparently Word Of Gaider is that Loghain had no idea it was going on, and signed off on a Tevinter presence because he bought the story about the plague. He finds out by the time of the Landsmeet, hence why he's not completely blindsided. (I usually accept Word Of Gaider, but this bit is too much. I would have accepted it if there was any evidence in game.)

 

Yes, the things that we are meant to believe that come from the devs post release as opposed to what's presented to us in game is getting a bit silly, imho. (Don't get me started on Alistair's mother) The slaver seems to think he can implicate Loghain directly doesn't he? I wonder why <sigh>

[Riverdaleswhiteflash]

Yes, the things that we are meant to believe that come from the devs post release as opposed to what's presented to us in game is getting a bit silly, imho. (Don't get me started on Alistair's mother) The slaver seems to think he can implicate Loghain directly doesn't he? I wonder why <sigh>

The idea of that, I think, was that the slaver was provably working with Loghain's permission (due to the letter) and either provably a slaver (despite the letter not containing proof since Loghain apparently didn't know) or just automatically assumed to be one since he was a Tevinter. It somehow didn't occur to Loghain that he was a slaver and he didn't look into it, but between when he found out and when he had to defend it he had become convinced of its necessity. You can understand why I prefer the other version of this narrative.

 

The Alistair's mother thing, though, doesn't contradict anything in the game that actually proves Alistair's mother was also Goldanna's. So, that's less egregious.

[Doomir]

I'm not very fond of Loghains actions but he surely is a very interesting character. I want to see if he appears in Dragon Age Inquisition. 

[-TC1989-]

You as a player may have sussed there was more to being a Grey Warden than a pledge to end the blight, but that doesn't mean you can expect in game characters to have the same insight. Characters can't be expected to be familiar with the conventions of the genre in which they appear.

 

Alistair couldn't understand because he is a in game character? I.... don't even know how to respond to that. With that same logic, Howe wasn't evil, Bioware is for making him that way.

 

 

The civil war is over. The Orlesian Wardens are on the borders - in a few weeks there will be the entire force of Orlesian wardens in ferelden. And Alistair can have no idea that the archedemon will suddenly make a move.

Alistair has fought by your side and will offer to kill the archdemon and indeed insists on it in certain circumstances. So yes, he is willing to fight and die to save Ferelden. But like pretty much all the other characters, he has a line he won't cross. And unlike Loghain, he doesn't offer to die partly out of a sense of guilt and a need for atonement.

I'm not saying that Alistair is right - it was a hot headed move, one that might not be made after sober reflection. But I can understand it and I just find it bizarre that some seem to be comparing Loghain's crimes to what he does.

 

 

Alistair had no idea, but no one did, still doesn't excuse the fact he can just walk out. Reading your last couple of posts, you make it sound like the Warden's are the Dragon age version of the boy scouts. Alistair can join if he wanted to (which he can/did), he collects papers, and talks to a few nobles, stomps a few fires out here and there, and if he gets mad with another scout (Warden, character), then he can just leave.

 

And you say you can understand why Alistair is willingly allowing Ferelden to die. He does all of this for Duncan, what do you think Duncan would make of this? If I were to guess? I bet you Duncan would literally hunt him down, and kill him. My point is, is if Alistair believed this is what Duncan wanted, and that abandoning his oath to the Wardens was paying his respect, then he never listened, and never learned a damn thing.

 

 

You must really hate Anora. She coolly refuses to swear fealty at a critical moment, deliberately leaving Ferelden in a state of civil war. Furthermore, she can fully see the consequences of her actions.  If the country doesn't unite and falls to the darkspawn, then, following the same logic, she has the blood of the entire country on her hands.

 

Actually I ended up ruling with Anora, so actually I kind of liked her. But I played Origins quite a few times.... and I don't remember saying "If Ferelden dies, it is completely on her". But hey, we all make different assessments.

[-TC1989-]

Wondering if ya'll have ever married Alistair to Anora.  Unhardened, it pretty much is Cailan/Anora 2.0.  Hardened, she teaches him, and he surprises her with his eagerness to learn and ability to lead.  Furthermore, if Anora is in the picture, Eamon returns to Redcliffe and his duties there.  While not good for either of them on a personal level, Anora + Alistair is good for Ferelden.  It unites the blood of Calanhad, and keeps the rulership stable, eliminating the civil war for even those who supported Loghain would no doubt get behind his daughter as well.  He humanizes her rule (no nasty revolts being put down) and she has the strength to make those hard choices he finds difficult.

 

While I find the Alistair + Anora to be a good option, I believe the best combo is Male Cousland + Anora, and it isn't a case of my ego.  While Fergus is the heir apparent, PC Cousland is trained from the cradle to lead, to govern in the event Fergus cannot (that's assuming birthright goes to the eldest).  He already has a step up on Alistair, and Anora was trained for years to be Cailan's queen as well.  Female Cousland may have the same training, but she's also coming at it from an "Anora position", being capable, but with a king who needs a lot of help.  I'd say that puts the situation on a par with Anora + Alistair.  Both decent outcomes for Ferelden, except from a personal standpoint better for Alistair and his wife because they love one another.  The only sticky part is, the exception of there being no progeny to rule once he and his queen go to their Calling.  I doubt Anora + Alistair will produce any children either, but at least the chances are better than Warden + Warden pairing.

 

There really is no 'wrong or right' in this instance, though, unless you put unhardened Alistair on the throne, Ferelden will do just fine. 

 

Actually I have married Alistair to Anora before to see how that goes about. The 2.0 thing was a joke for WarriorOfLight999, so don't read too much into it.

 

And I agree, ideally I thought male Cousland ruling with Anora was the best fit. Hell, I had no intention of ruling until the Landsmeet. I had a fine thing going with Leliana. But as I've been saying, seeing how Alistair was acting..... I saw myself as the more mature, and level-headed to take up the seat with Anora.