Do you always need to be told things to know they are true? The true measure of a good writer is the ability to portray aspects of a character's personality without necessarily needing to show or outright state them.
Maybe it would help if you laid out your particular reasons for thinking Isabella a prostitute, then we can debate...
Remember the good o'l days when a game could just be a game an not have to represent anything...*sigh*. I miss those times.
Indeed. In these trying economic times it is disturbing to see such rampant anti-business rhetoric.
Our friends on the left-wing may mean well but they must be made to understand that their efforts will only destroy jobs and hurt those they are trying to help most.
And now we bring politics into it.
Surely you understand that as in many industries the pimp makes an investment when these sex industry professions are "hired" and given a respected in the pimp's company. When profit margins are as tight as they are currently the pimp must ensure that, at a minimum, he earns back the resources he has invested in these employees.
Honestly, as somebody looking for a more accurate representation of the sex industry I would have thought you to be more understanding of this industry and the negative commentary directed at such legitimate businessmen. The pimp is little different from the historical "madame", he just merely represents the modern industry where such gender constraints no longer apply to the CEOs of such businesses.
I never said pimps were different from madames? They're both equally exploitative of their workers.
Why are you assuming that I'm approaching this issue from the perspective of men exploiting and abusing women? All the sex workers I know personally are male, and so is their manager, and so is the owner of the club where they work.
Remember the good o'l days when a game could just be a game an not have to represent anything...*sigh*. I miss those times.
You mean those times that never existed?
Media is representative by nature. It can't not be.
What?
I'm not complaining about a lack of male sex workers in Dragon Age. There are already several male sex workers in Dragon Age.
sorry i just got up
Perhaps if you work a little harder on being condescending I'll consider answering the next question.
But I wasn't trying to be condescending, I was merely contributing to the conversation, I am not sure what part of my post offends you so?
Are you sure?
Your picture mate,
very creepy, yet a little bit funny
In one of the Fable games you had an option to close down the brothel. The flip side was obviously that you kept it open and became a pimp.
I think it would be cool if they had a Madame who ran a brothel and was an interesting character and a source of information. But was less so if you disrespected her people.
I think it would be cool if they had a Madame who ran a brothel and was an interesting character and a source of information. But was less so if you disrespected her people.
Like Madame Christmas from the Fullmetal Alchemist franchise. 
Granted she ran a hostess club that had no sex involved instead of a sex-based brothel, but still. 
*Walks away from thread in disgust* Time to draw the line. This is a game!!!
I never said pimps were different from madames? They're both equally exploitative of their workers.
Why are you assuming that I'm approaching this issue from the perspective of men exploiting and abusing women? All the sex workers I know personally are male, and so is their manager, and so is the owner of the club where they work.
The madame, just like the pimp, is a critical aspect of ensuring this business runs smoothly and workers don't face undue harm. Now I have stuidied the tradtional business under the mentorship of expert pimps but have no knowledge of this subsection which likely has little presence in my home country. It goes without saying that the business practices there are probably a bit different. So I have been referring to majority of the industry, not specialty branches.
*Walks away from thread in disgust* Time to draw the line. This is a game!!!
Oh no, please don't go. This thread is in desperate need of people who have no understanding or care for the effects media has on the societies in which it is produced and displayed.
Do you always need to be told things to know they are true? The true measure of a good writer is the ability to portray aspects of a character's personality without necessarily needing to show or outright state them.
Well, let's look at how Isabella is written.
She loves sex. She's very knowledgeable about it, and quite forthright in her views. She's sexually assertive. She has a lot of sex, with all sorts of people, and NEVER ONCE is she paid for it. NEVER ONCE does she ask to be paid.
When asked her profession, she is very happy to tell you that she is a ship's captain, currently between ships. So: she doesn't act like a sex worker (she doesn't get paid for sex) and she doesn't regard herself as a sex worker (she's a ship's captain who happens to enjoy sex), and the only time she's at the Pearl, when she's not on a quest, is presumably as a customer.
Yes, she was sold into marriage by an abusive mother, but that's sexual abuse, not a career choice. Why would you assume she's a sex worker? Just because she has, and enjoys, recreational sex?
Oh no, please don't go. This thread is in desperate need of people who have no understanding or care for the effects media has on the societies in which it is produced and displayed.
That's not the point here. Bioware shouldn't be trying to create some sort of "effect", merely accurately displaying the industry. If you wish to include the more specialized subsections of the industry that is perfectly understandable, yet I implore you to feature more areas than the one which you are familiar with. There are a lot of fetishes out there that players may not even know they are interested in until they see them.
*sigh*
That's not the point here. Bioware shouldn't be trying to create some sort of "effect", merely accurately displaying the industry. If you wish to include the more specialized subsections of the industry that is perfectly understandable, yet I implore you to feature more areas than the one which you are familiar with. There are a lot of fetishes out there that players may not even know they are interested in until they see them.
It's my point.
If you want Bioware to include sex scenes that involve rubber swings or hot wax, then feel free to request that.
Somewhere else.
Don't you think your signature is a bit inappropriate given this thread?
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I want a worse representation of sex workers, they should be treated like a bunch of triangles mere objects.
Don't you think your signature is a bit inappropriate given this thread?
It's pretty clearly a sarcastic, tongue-in-cheek comment to me.
It's my point.
If you want Bioware to include sex scenes that involve rubber swings or hot wax, then feel free to request that.
Somewhere else.
Well that is rather rude, if you don't want different viewpoints in your thread why bother posting at all? How is the specialized area of the industry you have knowledge of more important than the others? I merely want a more accurate representation of those involved in the management. As wwolfhowl suggested, that is of greater importance than any sort of other "representation" in the game. Games are NOT about representation and things of that nature but if you're going to make it an issue you ought to portray the industry in an accurate light. I'm not certain what you're arguing for now. More display of the workers but an exclusion of the greater picture?
In one of the Fable games you had an option to close down the brothel. The flip side was obviously that you kept it open and became a pimp.
Then, assuming you aren't a complete bastard, you have the option to turn the bordello into a refuge for fallen women. The (now "free") ex-prostitutes thank you, and leave to pursue their life's goals. Or, you can continue to exploit them for free sex. Fable is pretty fickle.
Ah, yes. I see it now. Sarcasm can be difficult to detect with no tone.
Given the trend so far, I expect Inquisition is going to include a brothel. And maybe it's too late now for any changes to be made, but nevertheless, I am requesting that, going forward, Bioware consider humanising their prostitute and stripper characters (maybe include one as a party member?), and presenting a more nuanced, multifaceted and, above all, accurate view of the sex industry and its workers, rather than using it as an avenue for player titillation and cheap jokes.
I'm sympathetic to your idea; sex work is played for cheap laughs in most games, when actually it can be both darker and more complex.
But you do run into the problem of comparatively minor characters, who you actually aren't meant to know all that much about, suddenly giving you their life story. If you're familiar with Blackadder II; "Look, if I'd wanted a lecture on the rights of man, I'd have gone to bed with Martin Luther." Maybe a quest where you help an unhappy sex-worker find a way out, like you could with Athenril's indentured lad in DA2. Or maybe a quest where you gain an apprenticeship or patronage deal at the Pearl for someone who wants to get into the business, but doesn't want the dangers of street work? Or setting up a promising lad or lass with an Orlesian bard, so they can learn the metaphorical ropes? Do you have any ideas for how to do it without getting too heavy handed?
There's also the Firefly approach. I know it has its problems, but making sex work a legitimate, regulated business where you learn your trade before you ply it, and have to answer to a guild might be one way to go.
It'd be hard to write, and it'd be particularly hard to write a sex-worker companion, because the skill-set they would be using as your companion possibly wouldn't involve much sex-work. Even though Bards use sex in the course of their intrigues, their in-game skills are more about the singing and distracting ...
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