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And thus it is on the poster to be as clear as possible to at least limit the amount of misunderstanding.

It was clear what she was talking about, trying to paint Dobby as some insensitive person is just uncalled for and plainly rude. That fact that she has a Moxxi avatar should have given you a clue.



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Aveline kept her day job.  It's not out of the question for someone to be a DA companion and have a career. 

DA2 was set within the confines of a single city. If that is the case in any future games, then no, I would not be opposed to a prostitute character continuing to work in that fashion.

 

But I wouldn't call it a career. As I said, most people that enter the sex industry don't wish to stay there for their entire working life.



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It was clear what she was talking about, trying to paint Dobby as some insensitive person is just uncalled for and plainly rude. That fact that she has a Moxxi avatar should have given you a clue.

I don't know what Moxxi is.  :blush:



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Rather than sex workers, I would rather that priority be given to the representation of the mentally and physically handicapped. 

 

Like why not have a crippled or mentally disabled companion. I don't see why BioWare cannot accommodate this need, and centre the narrative around how society deals with the disabled. Physical and Mental Health carry a massive stigma and more should be done to shine a light on these important issues and how people with disability are marginalized by mainstream society.

 

As a story centric RPG set in a medieval fantasy world, I think that Dragon Age is the perfect place to expound on these problems in-depth.


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It was clear what she was talking about, trying to paint Dobby as some insensitive person is just uncalled for and plainly rude. That fact that she has a Moxxi avatar should have given you a clue.

Nobody painted Dobbysaurus as anything. She was doing a bang-up job all by herself.



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Rather than sex workers, I would rather that priority be given to the representation of the mentally and physically handicapped. 

 

Like why not have a crippled or mentally disabled companion. I don't see why BioWare cannot accommodate this need, and centre the narrative around how society deals with the disabled. Physical and Mental Health carry a massive stigma and more should be done to shine a light on these important issues. As a story centric RPG set in a medieval fantasy world, I think that Dragon Age is the perfect place to expound on these problems.

I can't tell if this is sarcasm or not, but I have absolutely no problem with that at all.



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Rather than sex workers, I would rather that priority be given to the representation of the mentally and physically handicapped. 

 

Like why not have a crippled or mentally disabled companion. I don't see why BioWare cannot accommodate this need, and centre the narrative around how society deals with the disabled. Physical and Mental Health carry a massive stigma and more should be done to shine a light on these important issues. As a story centric RPG set in a medieval fantasy world, I think that Dragon Age is the perfect place to expound on these problems.

Because it has nothing to do with sex, so it matters naught to PLantiff.



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I really wish people would stop trying to turn everything into some form of social justice

 

Can a mod lock this thread already

"I can't avoid threads that I claim disinterest in, so I ask authority figures to silence voices that discomfort me."



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I don't know what Moxxi is.  :blush:

 

:blink:  :blink:  :(



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Because it has nothing to do with sex, so it matters naught to PLantiff.

 

That is a ridiculous assertion. Plaintiff has never based his belief structure with regards to RPGs and media on something as base as sex and whether the pixels in the game can accommodate that desire. 



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How am I insensitive? Because unlike you I realize that work is work and no worker should be given unique treatment let alone forced into your face if it does not belong and simply exist just to please you. Yes how dare I be so insensitive. I gave you a good example of how it could be done and it should be OPTIONAL, because people will have characters that go to a brothel to guess what? HAVE SEX. This is why it should not be mandatory, you as always are forcing your agenda down peoples throats.

Yes, it would be terrible if Bioware hurt the delicate fee fees of gamers who want to indulge in the fantasy of exploiting the poor and desperate for fleeting sexual gratification.

 

Selling your body is not at all the same as selling clothes, or weapons, and to claim otherwise is just completely ignorant.


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Yes, it would be terrible if Bioware hurt the delicate fee fees of gamers who want to indulge in the fantasy of exploiting the poor and desperate for fleeting sexual gratification.

 

Selling your body is not at all the same as selling clothes, or weapons, and to claim otherwise is just completely ignorant.

I don't know if it's sad or funny that you think every sex worker is forced into it and does not enjoy what they are doing and that people are exploiting the poor.



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What are you asking for again? Anybody who goes into a brothel being forced to sit through the employee's life story? Or just if they're dealing with male prostitutes?

 

I think we can assume players are adults and will know that prostitution isn't the greatest career in the world.



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DA2 was set within the confines of a single city. If that is the case in any future games, then no, I would not be opposed to a prostitute character continuing to work in that fashion.

 

But I wouldn't call it a career. As I said, most people that enter the sex industry don't wish to stay there for their entire working life.

Quite right.  Like I said, the story dictates. 

 

I agree making a living as a sex-worker isn't usually a long term career, even for the willing.  Courtesans in Renaissance Venice, say, looked at it as a way to make their fortune, and having made it, invested it and lived very well off it after they retired, or went on to other things (often prestigious marriages, sometimes even to ex-clients).  I know being a Courtesan is not quite the sort of sex-work we are talking about, but if BW wanted realistic portrayals of sex workers with a basis in history, they could do worse.  For some women, it was the family business, for some, the best of a bad lot of choices, for some, their making and for others their undoing. 

 

As I say; the problem is integrating it into the game.  For better or worse, it's not the sort of thing that comes up in casual conversation.  Even if you're sitting around a campfire swapping stories.



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What are you asking for again? Anybody who goes into a brothel being forced to sit through the employee's life story? Or just if they're dealing with male prostitutes?

 

I think we can assume players are adults and will know that prostitution isn't the greatest career in the world.

Neither of those things.

 

Obviously we can't assume any such thing, since over half the posters in this thread are violently opposed to exploring the issue of prostitution in any depth at all.



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Neither of those things.

 

Obviously we can't assume any such thing, since over half the posters in this thread are violently opposed to exploring the issue of prostitution in any depth at all.

False, we are opposed to it being forced down our faces. This is not tumblr so stop assuming.



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And how do you intend to explore the issue of prostitution in depth? Sure they could do a quest related to stopping some slavers or something like that. But you seem determined they should be doing it for moral (prostitution is bad) reasons as opposed to it being an interesting quest.



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Where would Zevran and Leliana fall in this discussion? Just thinking out loud.



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Where would Zevran and Leliana fall in this discussion? Just thinking out loud.

They would fall in the "Using sex to achieve an objective" category, similar to what real spies and assassins did and do.



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Now released on Ancient Tome™, Forbidden Magicks III. These 18 year old apostate girls will do anything for some coin. Order today and get a free copy of Chantry Girls Gone Wild VI.

 

Banned by the Chantry!  The Order Dicktates returns by fan demand.

 

Templar: There you are mage, I need my...sword enchanted.

 

Mage: But Ser Cullen, your Sword of Mercy...i-it's so big. It would take me all night!

 

Templar: Plenty of time, my dear. Plenty of time.


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People here don't like when they perceive biower 'pandering' too much to 'social justice', but I don't think they would actually mind if there was a well written prostitute rather than the usual fan ****** prostitutes. All this argument is just because of the personalities involved.



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Banned by the Chantry!  The Order Dicktates returns by fan demand.

 

Templar: There you are mage, I need my...sword enchanted.

 

Mage: But Ser Cullen, your Sword of Mercy...i-it's so big. It would take me all night!

 

Templar: Plenty of time, my dear. Plenty of time.

That's a The Lusty Argonian Maid reference, isn't it?



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Plaintiff whenever you get all up in arms about everything you make me listen to Cis-Fire a /v/ musical parody that seems to have perfectly captured EVERYTHING about you.

 

Catchy tune. To be honest, though, that "Dragon's Crown" game does look like utter rubbish.


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I don't know if it's sad or funny that you think every sex worker is forced into it and does not enjoy what they are doing and that people are exploiting the poor.

Statistically, I'm sure there's at least one. But there's already enough media that glamorizes sex work and paints it as desirable without any recognition of the dangers or the stigma that workers suffer in real life.

 

Even if there are prostitutes that love their work, I'm sure they don't like being being verbally or physically abused. But, you know, let's ignore how prostitutes are often treated by their clients, because we wouldn't want the players who utilise brothels, in games or in real life, to feel uncomfortable about facilitating further exploitation of already disadvantaged people.


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