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Sorry. Now I'm not sure what you're asking me.
This is absolutely one of the most ridiculous things that I've ever read on the BSN. So it's gay people's fault that homophobes exist in the first place because we don't walk around "educating" everyone about our sexuality? Is that seriously what you are saying? That's so inaccurate and offensive on so many levels that my brain can't actually wrap around it enough to make a more coherent argument right now. Ridiculous.
No, I'm saying ignorant people like Plantiff are the reason, not gays. There's a complete difference. Don't even try to twist my words.
You did, stop whining.
But it was a mod, and if Morrigan and Alistair are s/s then Shale should be a romance too! Only fair.
Guess what, just because you call people a bigot does not make them a bigot, you are in fact a bigot because of how intolerable you are. You are no different then a homophobe at all.
No, but I call people bigots because they are bigots. If they think they aren't bigots, then they need to examine their behaviour and figure out why they look like bigots.
And that's not what 'intolerable' means. ):
No, I'm saying ignorant people like Plantiff are the reason, not gays. There's a complete difference. Don't even try to twist my words.
Then take your own advice and take it to PM. When you make an inflammatory statement like that on the board, people are going to assume that you mean it for everyone, not just him. I'll assume that you are speaking the truth and only meant it for him, but your statement did not read like it.
Sorry! lol
I meant... I can't react to what the Keep features will be like in 5 years (Origins came out 5 years ago). So what type of options they have regarding Inquisition at that time I can't fathom. If they even still allow options at all.
Not sure if that makes sense. I probably should head out for now. My brain isn't good at these type threads except for maybe small doses.
Nah. I get it. What I'm saying just to plainly state it is that Bioware almost certainly won't have it, so that people could romance whoever they want despite sex in the future. This also applies to Alistair and Morrigan who still can't be romanced by the majority of DA users since the majority were on consoles. If Bioware wanted to have had Alistair and Morrigan interested in a Warden of the same gender, the time to have that was during Origins. There's not much point in saying they did when the majority of those people can't actually have done that in Origins as well as the writers not likely wanting to change their characters or the events that happened in Origins.
The best thing is either to put up a very post-late patch in Origins that allows Alistiar and Morrigan to be same sex romancable while keeping in mind all the implications that could mean such as same sex royal marriage or to keep in mind how to keep things fair in the future for s/s and different sex romance.
He's still saying that gay people need to take on the burden of educating thoughtless toolbags who pester them with insensitive and personal questions.
And he's also saying that people are justified in becoming homophobes if they meet a gay person who doesn't hold their hand.
I'd probably drop the subject and take it to PM if you have to before Allan or another mod has to come in and tell people to stop.
If anyone tries to take anything to PM with me, I'm just going to report them outright.
why?If anyone tries to take anything to PM with me, I'm just going to report them outright.
why?
Because I have no interest in being told I need to change my attitude for the sake of butthurt heteros, and I don't appreciate being treated as a mouthpiece for the gay hivemind.
If gay people acted like they were entitled to pester you about what it's like to be straight, you'd probably get sick of it pretty damn quickly.
If Eluvianix has unlimited reserves of patience for insensitive behaviour, then good for him. I'm only mortal.
To be fair, if I wasn't the rational levelheaded internet person that I am (humblebrag) then I might've taken mockingword's words As a slight. Don't get me wrong, lgbt people have no obligation to educate anyone, but refusing to do so at all times, making demanding statements, using absolutes and being inflammatory is not likely to change peoples minds. It comes across as hostile, which is just unfortunate. It's the difference between Elu(who is awesome and easygoing and hopefully doesn't hate me for being used as an example) and mockingword, who is unaccomodating and can be/appear hostile.
I can understand this sentiment. I've been accused of being racist and perpetuating negative stereotypes about gays by him as well......and I'm one of the most vocal supporters of LGBT representation on the board. My issue was the way it was worded. If it were worded like it was just about him, that would be one thing. But it wasn't. It was "people like you", making it more than just about him.
I've said the exact same thing that he said, "I'm not here to educate people." Because I'm not. I'm here to discuss the game and to advocate for more equal representation for LGBT content in the game. I'm happy to engage in conversations with people, but I'm not here to "educate" homophobes. And to insinuate that by taking that stance, I'm the one who's actually to blame, is absolutely unacceptable to me.
And, let's be honest, if you are going to take into account Mockingwood's past behavior, then it is fair for me to take House's past behavior into account as well and he has been openly hostile to the inclusion of LGBT inclusive content in many threads. As much as there was an undertone in Mockingwood's statement, there was an undertone in the other one as well.
WIth that being said, I'm willing to let it drop if I misunderstood any intentions. If anyone wants to discuss it further, I would be happy to engage in PM discussions about it.
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All in favor of letting this thread die? Say Aye(in private message or in your head
Aye. I don't even support recognizing player made mods in the game.
You can be gay and still perpetuate offensive stereotypes about gay people. It is a thing that happens. The "LGBT community" isn't a beautiful singularity of love and peace, it's varied and often conflicting.
You can be gay and still perpetuate offensive stereotypes about gay people. It is a thing that happens. The "LGBT community" isn't a beautiful singularity of love and peace, it's varied and often conflicting.
Yeah, I know that. That's why I didn't use, "But I'm gay!" as my rationale as to why it's a ridiculous claim. I used, "I'm one of the most vocal supporters of LGBT equity on the boards". Different things, sir. Different things.
It's a shame because I agree with the content of almost everything you say, too.
murky waters here hoo boy
idk, tone trolling can sometimes be a force of silencing used by bigots and/or people with privilege (using the anger of the person who is oppressed to try to undermine or delegitimize their arguments and what they're saying)
anyway, on the topic of the thread, I don't support recognizing mods made by players in the game, not the least because of the issues of false advertising/expectations that people have covered. I'm also not keen on retroactively changing the sexualities (here meaning who is and is not available to player characters depending on gender, not 'Anders was never bi!! You changed him from straight!'-type sentiments) of already-established characters in a particular game, as much as I've always wanted to romance Morrigan with my FemWarden and been sadface that I couldn't
This conversation is way over my head, but... why not just use a pop-up screen that informs the player that "some choices" were not available in DA:O? You could even have two settings in the Keep... one where "new options" are available and the other where "only DA:O options" are available. As soon as you flip the settings, a screen informs you about not all choices being available. You can even colour code them.
I'm probably naive about this, but I don't see why this would be a reason not to include more options.
Because now we're starting to over engineer The Keep with all sorts of additional things beyond the original scope of the project in order to accommodate this.
As for the thread itself, I'm locking it. As I'm about to go to funeral, I can't actually be bothered to deal with anything yet, but when I return I will (unless mods have done already).
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