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[daveliam]

Yeah, I just don't see how Bioware should be expected to acknowledge modded content in the game.  You bought a product and changed it.  That's fine because that's within your right, but your current product is not the one that Bioware sold you.  The only reason why the DA2 system recognized your modded files was because you happened to mod the files that were being read in the file transfer.  It was a lucky coincidence for you, not purposeful by Bioware.  The new game doesn't have the same file transfer system, so your luck has run out.  It's not, however, Bioware's responsibility to account for modding in their game development.  This holds true for all mods, regardless of why the player chose to use them.  The fact that Alistair wasn't available for romancing to males in DA: O should hold no bearing on their decision making in this matter.

[Spirit Keeper]

My question to the OP is this; what makes your fanfic more worthy of Dev support than anyone else's? Because you used unsupported software hacks to see it on your monitor?

Because that's what this comes down to. Your version of the relationship is fanfic. I could write a fanfic about Fiona being a Grey Warden spy who was totally in love with Anders, and stick the printout into my copy of Asunder and call it a prologue. Should the devs support my fanfic going forward, too?

I don't have any particular beef with people using mods. What other people do to their software means less than nothing to me. But they're fanfic. And if the devs support one fanfic, the slope is steep, slippery and short from there.

Well it's not like i'm going to hunt down the devs and murder them if they don't add, erm, support? for modded playthoughs, nor am I going to boycott them. What I am trying to say is that because previous games used save importing, it didn't matter that Bioware didn't make, say, a gay Alistair. Save importing took care of all of that.

 

I just wanted to put it out there that people do have modded Origins playthoughs and that if The Keep is going to be the only way of making a save for Inquisition then it seems a shame if they would limit what people have done in their playthroughts by making limitations such as 'you can only select female human noble if you want to have married Alistair'.

 

You may have not seen one of my previous posts in this thread but I did say that I wouldn't care if Bioware didn't write specific lines to acknowledge character genders for a gay warden and Alistair king/king paring for example. Like I said in that post I played though Dragon Age Origins and Dragon Age 2 with my warden being referred to as a female/queen and didn't bat an eyelid. Just like I spend Mass Effect 1 perfectly content with Kaidan called my MShep a woman.

 

I would like to point out that Bioware has been pretty good in the past with adding new content to acknowledge modded/hacked playthroughts. Mass Effect for example. PC players (such as myself) used the console in ME1 to do a MShep and Kaidan romance. That romance imported into ME2 and ME3 perfectly and Bioware added voiced lines between the two for both games. Kai and Shep on Horizon. Kai and Shep on Mars.

 

I'm not holding a pitchfork to their throats, they don't owe me or anyone content and i'm going to buy the game regardless. I feel like people on any forum, including this one see someone say something and instantly jump to extreme conclusions. Not everything people say or have concerns over is a threat or demand. Sometimes people pointing out concerns is just that.

[Spirit Keeper]

I have no idea how I ended up quoting myself

[Spirit Keeper]

Oh what the hell! I quoted myself again. How do I delete posts?

[mopotter]

Really? let my try. ****** 

 

Edit: Well i'll be damned

This made me laugh.  I have a warped sense of humor.  Growing up Damned was also a "banned" word.  

[Spirit Keeper]

This made me laugh.  I have a warped sense of humor.  Growing up Damned was also a "banned" word.  

I like to make people laugh, sadly it tends to happen though my typos. My last one was boycoot.

[TK514]

 

Oh what the hell! I quoted myself again. How do I delete posts?

 

I've done that.  There should be a 'Hide' button you can use on posts you don't want to show.

 

As for your response to me; Fair enough.  I don't think the should support modded content, but they'll do what they think best.

[Spirit Keeper]

I've done that.  There should be a 'Hide' button you can use on posts you don't want to show.

 

As for your response to me; Fair enough.  I don't think the should support modded content, but they'll do what they think best.

Damn the quotes! Damn them to helllllllllllllllllllll!    I may just leave them there now, silly mistakes but kind of funny.

[Nefla]

I don't see the need for an argument about this, to me there's no harm in asking for something.

[efd731]

I don't see the need for an argument about this, to me there's no harm in asking for something.

No harm in asking....also no harm in saying that asking is silly/misguided/rustles jimmies.

[ElitePinecone]

Wasn't the reactivity to Kaidan and maleShep's modded romance in ME2 and ME3 due to the plot flag "Romanced Kaidan", though? The game couldn't tell which gender had romanced him, only that a Kaidan romance was active.  If I remember correctly, in ME2 there were no maleShep lines for that romance recorded - Shepard was silent on Horizon, I'm pretty sure.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they had recorded extra lines for Kaidan in ME3, but that was also the game where he was a new s/s romance for maleShep anyway - nobody is expecting that there'll be another opportunity for a male Warden to romance Alistair in DA:I, are they? Like I said before, I think the ME3 thing was partially an attempt to make up for the lack of any m/m romances in the entire rest of the series - which isn't true at all for Dragon Age.

 

I think the circumstances are slightly different in this case, and I'm still not convinced that the Keep should (or would) have the option to submit non-standard world states. Depending on how much the romance is referenced in DA:I, it could have all sorts of weird consequences.

[Darth Krytie]

Wasn't the reactivity to Kaidan and maleShep's modded romance in ME2 and ME3 due to the plot flag "Romanced Kaidan", though? The game couldn't tell which gender had romanced him, only that a Kaidan romance was active.  If I remember correctly, in ME2 there were no maleShep lines for that romance recorded - Shepard was silent on Horizon, I'm pretty sure.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they had recorded extra lines for Kaidan in ME3, but that was also the game where he was a new s/s romance for maleShep anyway - nobody is expecting that there'll be another opportunity for a male Warden to romance Alistair in DA:I, are they? Like I said before, I think the ME3 thing was partially an attempt to make up for the lack of any m/m romances in the entire rest of the series - which isn't true at all for Dragon Age.

 

I think the circumstances are slightly different in this case, and I'm still not convinced that the Keep should (or would) have the option to submit non-standard world states. Depending on how much the romance is referenced in DA:I, it could have all sorts of weird consequences.

 

No, the ME2 played out as a romance. The only thing that was weird is the letter Kaidan gives you. It refers to you as a woman. I think it has to do with the way they record lines. All lines are recorded by both people and then there's only a handful of lines that one party or the other gets to do. I read about it somewhere.

[wolfsite]

No, the ME2 played out as a romance. The only thing that was weird is the letter Kaidan gives you. It refers to you as a woman. I think it has to do with the way they record lines. All lines are recorded by both people and then there's only a handful of lines that one party or the other gets to do. I read about it somewhere.

This is true, I've seen videos from people who data-mined ME2 content and they found voice work recorded by Jennifer Hale talking like she romanced Tali which isn't possible in the actual game.

[ElitePinecone]

Still I think it's safe to say that untl ME3, romancing Kaidan wasn't officially supported by the content in the game. Like in ME1, the lines only worked in ME2 because both actors had recorded them.

 

(The idea that Kaidan and Ashley were originally meant to be available for both genders in ME1 is mistaken - years ago before ME3 we tried to track down the source of that idea, and devs only confirmed that it was basically an accident resulting from Hale and Meer recording everything.)

[tmp7704]

Wasn't the reactivity to Kaidan and maleShep's modded romance in ME2 and ME3 due to the plot flag "Romanced Kaidan", though? The game couldn't tell which gender had romanced him, only that a Kaidan romance was active.

More or less in ME2, in ME3 that was something they added due to community wishes, if I'm not mistaken.

I'd imagine that's exactly why the latter DA games seemed to recognize the same-sex romance with characters that normally (without modding) wouldn't allow that happen -- the dialogue branches and cutscenes would simply trigger on 'had romance' flag, without safety check of the player character's gender (as one wouldn't consider it necessary) I.e. probably not intended but positive side-effect for these affected by it. But yeah, unlikely it'd be something the "world state editor" would allow to re-create.

[Spirit Keeper]

No harm in asking....also no harm in saying that asking is silly/misguided/rustles jimmies.

Let me put what you said in another context. 

 

'May I have some milk?'

 

'WHAT? NO! F*CK OFF, F*CK YOU!'

 

If asking a question causes any of these (silly/misguided/rustles jimmies) then those people need to calm down.

[Adaar the Unbound]

As I am also a gay man, I agree with everything you said in the post. I never really saw Anders, Leliana, or Fenris as promiscuous, but after reading your comments I understand. I never used those mods, but I really hope they keep the mods into consideration in "The Keep".

EDIT: However, why are you pro-blood mage? I am 100% pro-mage, but blood magic seems to put everyone around you in danger.

[AlanC9]

I still don't know what we're talking about when we say "promiscuous" here. Or ITRW; it usually seems to mean anyone having more sex than the speaker is.

[Spirit Keeper]

As I am also a gay man, I agree with everything you said in the post. I never really saw Anders, Leliana, or Fenris as promiscuous, but after reading your comments I understand. I never used those mods, but I really hope they keep the mods into consideration in "The Keep".

EDIT: However, why are you pro-blood mage? I am 100% pro-mage, but blood magic seems to put everyone around you in danger.

Because blood magic. There may be risks but I think people in the DA universe hate blood magic mostly because of their religion. Religion because it tells them that Tevinter magisters used/use blood magic, Tevinter is bad therefore blood magic is bad. and 2: Because Blood magic is the one type of magic Templars have no power over. Destroy anything you can't control.

 

My Warden got blood magic while telling the Desire demon to go F' herself.

Hawke can just pick it.....huh, well since you don't suffer any penalty in the 10 years DA2 takes place over.... 

[Spirit Keeper]

I still don't know what we're talking about when we say "promiscuous" here. Or ITRW; it usually seems to mean anyone having more sex than the speaker is.

You must never have spoken to Anders, Isabela or Zevran, like, ever. It seems like you just saw the word promiscuous then skipped everything else and made your comment. If you really can't understand what I was saying in that post then you never will.

[Adaar the Unbound]

Because blood magic. There may be risks but I think people in the DA universe hate blood magic mostly because of their religion. Religion because it tells them that Tevinter magisters used/use blood magic, Tevinter is bad therefore blood magic is bad. and 2: Because Blood magic is the one type of magic Templars have no power over. Destroy anything you can't control.

 

My Warden got blood magic while telling the Desire demon to go F' herself.

Hawke can just pick it.....huh, well since you don't suffer any penalty in the 10 years DA2 takes place over.... 

Well, it is said that if you use Blood Magic you are giving demons easier access to taking over your body. Isn't using blood Magic basically summoning a demon? I feel like dealing with demons like that is too much of a risk.

[Spirit Keeper]

Well, it is said that if you use Blood Magic you are giving demons easier access to taking over your body. Isn't using blood Magic basically summoning a demon? I feel like dealing with demons like that is too much of a risk.

But so are spirit healers. In fact they are at a WORSE risk because then demons will try and pretend to be spirits. I'd imagine blood mages are more tempting for demons because of the power they now wield but the situation for the mage hasn't changed. Demon says 'let me in', mage says 'no'. Spirit healers would be approached by something in the fade, then have to determine if it's a spirit, demon or demon in disguise before they let it in. Don't forget that a Spirit healer HAS to let a fade creature into their bodies to power the magic. Blood mages just need blood and my characters have never used a party member's life to power it.

 

The in-game codex says that Spirit healers have to spend their whole lives being more vigilant and that templars watch them very closey, they are only tolerated because Templars find healing useful to them.

[Adaar the Unbound]

[Rayndorn]

Alistair was always the forbidden fruit for me, and in my first few Origins playthroughs I was always sad I couldn't get my manly hands on him. I started playing Dragon Age on the Xbox, so when I finally got it on PC a few years ago, the first thing I did was remake my first character and get Equal Love. I was pleasantly surprised by how well a lot of the dialogue actually fitted a gay relationship with Alistair!

The lamp post line was so much dirtier with a male Warden.   

But anyway, I do share your concerns. I was happy my Warden's relationship with Alistair was acknowledged in Dragon Age 2, but I'm worried of the save file being befuddled in Inquisition. Your point about many male LI's being promiscuous is also quite valid IMO, though Fenris struck me as more guarded and prickly than anything else.

(I also admit, I found Zevran's persistence in flirtation endearing - in some twisted way. Naughty me.)

Modifié par Rayndorn, 08 avril 2014 - 04:21 .

[Spirit Keeper]

 

 

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