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[Adaar the Unbound]

But so are spirit healers. In fact they are at a WORSE risk because then demons will try and pretend to be spirits. I'd imagine blood mages are more tempting for demons because of the power they now wield but the situation for the mage hasn't changed. Demon says 'let me in', mage says 'no'. Spirit healers would be approached by something in the fade, then have to determine if it's a spirit, demon or demon in disguise before they let it in. Don't forget that a Spirit healer HAS to let a fade creature into their bodies to power the magic. Blood mages just need blood and my characters have never used a party member's life to power it.

 

The in-game codex says that Spirit healers have to spend their whole lives being more vigilant and that templars watch them very closey, they are only tolerated because Templars find healing useful to them.

I didn't know that about Spirit Healers. 

Even Anders hated Blood Magic though. They've never really shown a positive side to Blood Magic before. Ill have to think on it and if they do show a positive side to it in DA:I i'll definitely consider it.

[Spirit Keeper]

Alistair was always the forbidden fruit for me, and in my first few Origins playthroughs I was always sad I couldn't get my manly hands on him. I started playing the Dragon Age on the Xbox, so when I finally got it on PC a few years ago the first thing I did was remake my first character and get Equal Love. I was pleasantly surprised by how well a lot of the dialogue actually fitted a gay relationship with Alistair!

The lamp post line was so much dirtier with a male Warden.   

But anyway, I do share your concerns. I was happy my Warden's relationship with Alistair was acknowledged in Dragon Age 2, but I'm worried of the save file being befuddled in Inquisition.  I do see see your point about many male LI's being promiscuous, though Fenris struck me as more guarded and prickly than anything else.

(I also admit, I found Zevran's persistence in flirtation endearing - in some twisted way. Naughty me.)

Lol, who can resist a good flirting! heh. Now i'm wondering why the lamp post in winter line comes from Alistair of all people lol. 

[Adaar the Unbound]

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Sorry about that, I dont know why that happened. haha

[Spirit Keeper]

I didn't know that about Spirit Healers. 

Even Anders hated Blood Magic though. They've never really shown a positive side to Blood Magic before. Ill have to think on it and if they do show a positive side to it in DA:I i'll definitely consider it.

I found Ander's constant bashing on Blood Magic and by extension, Merrill, to be rather hypocritical. 'OMG guys! Blood Magic is soooo super dangerous and evil, please ignore the glowy blue thing I do when I murder innocent people and blow up building to start a war...K, thanks!'

[Spirit Keeper]

Sorry about that, I dont know why that happened. haha

Heh it's alright, i've messed up the quote thing twice.

[daveliam]

You must never have spoken to Anders, Isabela or Zevran, like, ever. It seems like you just saw the word promiscuous then skipped everything else and made your comment. If you really can't understand what I was saying in that post then you never will.

 

I think the issue is that your definition of "promiscuous" isn't really the one that is used in real life.  You seem to be saying that anyone who has had any premarital sex is promiscuous, but that's not really the way that most people use the word.

 

I'd agree with you that Isabela and Zevran are fairly promiscuous in that they like to have casual sex with numerous people (at different OR the same time).  There's no arguing that.  However, I'm not seeing how Anders or Leliana are promiscuous and you haven't really provided any support for these two characters.  Outside of Karl and Marjolaine (respectively), who did Anders and Leliana sleep with?  And in both cases, they were in an emotional relationship with the person, so I'm not really seeing your argument for promiscuity for either of them, unless you can clarify for me.

[Adaar the Unbound]

I think the issue is that your definition of "promiscuous" isn't really the one that is used in real life.  You seem to be saying that anyone who has had any premarital sex is promiscuous, but that's not really the way that most people use the word.

 

I'd agree with you that Isabela and Zevran are fairly promiscuous in that they like to have casual sex with numerous people (at different OR the same time).  There's no arguing that.  However, I'm not seeing how Anders or Leliana are promiscuous and you haven't really provided any support for these two characters.  Outside of Karl and Marjolaine (respectively), who did Anders and Leliana sleep with?  And in both cases, they were in an emotional relationship with the person, so I'm not really seeing your argument for promiscuity for either of them, unless you can clarify for me.

In the first page he gives his argument for Anders and Leliana being promiscuous, I believe.

[Spirit Keeper]

I think the issue is that your definition of "promiscuous" isn't really the one that is used in real life.  You seem to be saying that anyone who has had any premarital sex is promiscuous, but that's not really the way that most people use the word.

 

I'd agree with you that Isabela and Zevran are fairly promiscuous in that they like to have casual sex with numerous people (at different OR the same time).  There's no arguing that.  However, I'm not seeing how Anders or Leliana are promiscuous and you haven't really provided any support for these two characters.  Outside of Karl and Marjolaine (respectively), who did Anders and Leliana sleep with?  And in both cases, they were in an emotional relationship with the person, so I'm not really seeing your argument for promiscuity for either of them, unless you can clarify for me.

I mentioned that Anders in Awakening and DA2 says he had been doing it with the mages in the circle and with the prostitutes in the Pearl (including Isabela) whenever he could escape from the circle.

 

I also said that Leliana was more about her job, but in the case of the trope 'all gays are promiscuous' being used. Job or not it doesn't exactly matter. Like you said Isabela and Zevran need to explanation. I think people are taking the 'I don't want every gay/bi character to all be promiscuous' as 'I WANT A VIRGIN ARMY OF SUPER VIRGINS'.

[Adaar the Unbound]

I found Ander's constant bashing on Blood Magic and by extension, Merrill, to be rather hypocritical. 'OMG guys! Blood Magic is soooo super dangerous and evil, please ignore the glowy blue thing I do when I murder innocent people and blow up building to start a war...K, thanks!'

Are you talking about Justice or when he blew up the Chantry?

[Spirit Keeper]

Are you talking about Justice or when he blew up the Chantry?

I had my Anders at max friendship and he admitted that blowing up the chantry was his idea, no justice required. As for the rest, yes i'm talking about Justice.

 

One more thing. The mage at the end of Warden's keep was able to use blood magic to keep him alive for something like 300 years AND ignore the taint in his blood, That sounds like a good thing.

[daveliam]

I mentioned that Anders in Awakening and DA2 says he had been doing it with the mages in the circle and with the prostitutes in the Pearl (including Isabela) whenever he could escape from the circle.

 

I also said that Leliana was more about her job, but in the case of the trope 'all gays are promiscuous' being used. Job or not it doesn't exactly matter. Like you said Isabela and Zevran need to explanation. 

 

I guess I'm still not convinced though.

 

Okay, I'll give you Anders, if we are using your definition of promiscuity.  But I'm not buying it about Leliana.  I don't remember her ever mentioning that she sleeps with people to do her job.  Does that happen?

 

Also, since there are six bisexual LIs, and you've already admitted that Merrill and Fenris don't fit the trope, that means that we have either 1/3 or 1/2 (depending on whether you put Leliana in the promiscuous category) of the bisexual LIs that don't fit your pattern.  Compare that to the three straight LI's.  You have Morrigan, who you've conceded also fits your pattern, and Sebastian, who mentions being promiscuous before entering the Chantry.  The only "non-promiscuous" straight LI is Alistair.

 

So straight LI's have 1/3 that are not promiscuous and bisexual LI's have either 1/3 or 1/2 that are not promiscuous.  I'm just not seeing the issue.  Seems to me that your concern is more about promiscuity in general in Dragon Age and not specifically around bisexuality.  I think that Isabela and Zevran were skirting really close to that trope and it was a bit uncomfortable, but I think they tempered it with the other characters.  At least in my opinion.

 

ETA:  I actually see that you put Fenris in the promiscuous category, which I disagree with.  I guess we just have different definitions about promiscuity.  To each his/her own, I guess.  I agree that Zevran and Isabela were a bit squicky, but I don't have any issues with the way that the DA team has portrayed LBGT individuals.

[Adaar the Unbound]

I had my Anders at max friendship and he admitted that blowing up the chantry was his idea, no justice required. As for the rest, yes i'm talking about Justice.

 

One more thing. The mage at the end of Warden's keep was able to use blood magic to keep him alive for something like 300 years AND ignore the taint in his blood, That sounds like a good thing.

Well, Anders did beat himself up a lot about the things that Justice did. He had no way of knowing that Justice would do that though. He did what I think most people would of done by helping Justice. After that, there's nothing he could really do. AS for blowing up the Chantry, you could argue that it was a necessary evil.

And oh yeah! I forgot about that!

[Spirit Keeper]

Well, Anders did beat himself up a lot about the things that Justice did. He had no way of knowing that Justice would do that though. He did what I think most people would of done by helping Justice. After that, there's nothing he could really do. AS for blowing up the Chantry, you could argue that it was a necessary evil.

And oh yeah! I forgot about that!

I like to think that my Warden and Hawke are going to live forever. I asked Avernus to share his findings.

[Adaar the Unbound]

I like to think that my Warden and Hawke are going to live forever. I asked Avernus to share his findings.

Wait, didnt he murder people for the blood to do that? I don't remember.

[Jessica Merizan]

You can write homosexuality, but not the Q-word which is odd to me.

 

"Queer" has been removed from our swear list and is now available to be used. I think it was an oversight. Another poster is correct, depending on several factors, it can be seen as offensive but I would rather have it available for use and ban people who are using it to cause harm. 

[Realmzmaster]

Wait, didnt he murder people for the blood to do that? I don't remember.

Avernus used warden volunteers to further his research, but I doubt they knew exactly what they were getting into. He was experimenting with the taint in the blood.

[AlanC9]

I mentioned that Anders in Awakening and DA2 says he had been doing it with the mages in the circle and with the prostitutes in the Pearl (including Isabela) whenever he could escape from the circle.

 

I also said that Leliana was more about her job, but in the case of the trope 'all gays are promiscuous' being used. Job or not it doesn't exactly matter. Like you said Isabela and Zevran need to explanation. I think people are taking the 'I don't want every gay/bi character to all be promiscuous' as 'I WANT A VIRGIN ARMY OF SUPER VIRGINS'.

 

What about Fenris? Or are you taking that one back? And what is the evidence for Leliana, again? Her backstory's the same as Sebastian's, so if he counts as non-promiscuous so does she.

[Spirit Keeper]

What about Fenris? Or are you taking that one back? And what is the evidence for Leliana, again? Her backstory's the same as Sebastian's, so if he counts as non-promiscuous so does she.

Fenris I think i'm taking back. I've rewatched his romance arc, listened to his dialogue and such etc bla bla. So yeah, Fenris doesn't count.

 

I think i'm also taking back Sebastian too. Him and Leliana are more of the, erm 'former promiscuous' group, if that's a thing. I wouldn't say their backstories are the same though. Leliana used any method needed to acquire information. Sebastian was the rebel prince who gave no f*cks.

 

I do want to reiterate that the thing about sexuality isn't coming from a blind spot. I've had to deal with people's assumptions about me and my sexuality from work, from friends etc. I don't think I made it clear that i'm not just blaming Bioware for the stereotype, it's media a whole. games, TV shows, TV series, films etc.  

[Spirit Keeper]

Wait, didnt he murder people for the blood to do that? I don't remember.

Before my warden found him sure. But I told him to continue his research ethically. You can find a message from him in DA2. As for his research before I found him. Sure it's not exactly nice but no point in setting fire to it or anything, otherwise those people would have died for no reason.

[daveliam]

I agree with you that there are terrible assumptions and stereotypes about bisexuality in the media (look at the recent Jessie J thing from twitter).  I'm just not sure that I agree with you that the bisexual LIs in DA (outside of Zevran and Isabela) are not done in an appropriate way.  I guess this is just one of those situations where differing experiences in life lead to different opinions that are formed about a situation.  If they were to introduce another promiscuous bisexual LI in DA, I would certainly look side-eyed at them.  However, I don't know if I've seen anything at this point to make me concerned.

[Adaar the Unbound]

Before my warden found him sure. But I told him to continue his research ethically. You can find a message from him in DA2. As for his research before I found him. Sure it's not exactly nice but no point in setting fire to it or anything, otherwise those people would have died for no reason.

What did the message in DA2 say?

[Spirit Keeper]

I agree with you that there are terrible assumptions and stereotypes about bisexuality in the media (look at the recent Jessie J thing from twitter).  I'm just not sure that I agree with you that the bisexual LIs in DA (outside of Zevran and Isabela) are not done in an appropriate way.  I guess this is just one of those situations where differing experiences in life lead to different opinions that are formed about a situation.  If they were to introduce another promiscuous bisexual LI in DA, I would certainly look side-eyed at them.  However, I don't know if I've seen anything at this point to make me concerned.

I think a good example would be 'if' Cullen was a companion and bi romance. and we see him coming out of The Pearl with him being all 'Yeah, i'm bi so I went to all the brothels in Thedas' then we know there is a problem. If not then i'd say Bioware gets it. I only mention Cullen as the example because apparently he's a fan favourite and people have wanted him in a companion/LI role in Origins.

[Spirit Keeper]

What did the message in DA2 say?

If Avernus was told to continue with his research ethically...

 

Warden-Commander of Ferelden

 

The limitations put upon my research have greatly hampered progress. With just a few subjects, I could test certain critical hypotheses. However, the information sent about the Architect has proven invaluable to my efforts, and I am pleased to report limited success. As the Architect surmised, considerable untapped power exists within Grey Warden blood. When properly prepared, its effects can be remarkable.

But my research has also revealed some alarming implications, which I've attached in the old Acanthan cipher. I urge you to send this to the First Warden at once.

I will conduct further tests as long as I'm able. My documentation is very thorough—if time finally claims me, others may follow in my footsteps.

[Adaar the Unbound]

 

If Avernus was told to continue with his research ethically...

 

Warden-Commander of Ferelden

 

The limitations put upon my research have greatly hampered progress. With just a few subjects, I could test certain critical hypotheses. However, the information sent about the Architect has proven invaluable to my efforts, and I am pleased to report limited success. As the Architect surmised, considerable untapped power exists within Grey Warden blood. When properly prepared, its effects can be remarkable.

But my research has also revealed some alarming implications, which I've attached in the old Acanthan cipher. I urge you to send this to the First Warden at once.

I will conduct further tests as long as I'm able. My documentation is very thorough—if time finally claims me, others may follow in my footsteps.

 

Ah. That's cool. I wonder where they're going to go with that in DA:I.

[Spirit Keeper]

Ah. That's cool. I wonder where they're going to go with that in DA:I.

Me too, there is a lot of stuff I want to see so long as they don't do more retcons.