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[Excella Gionne]

Shepard(S): What's in here?

 

Javik(J): It is called the Echo Shard. Passed from soldier to soldier, Prothean to Prothean. Each adds their memories to it. 

 

S: Like a beacon. How far back does it go?

 

J: To a time before the Reapers. It is all that is left of my people. 

 

S: And you don't want to remember that?

 

J: Imagine if everyone you knew was dead. You could not remember their faces, or the color of the sky above your home. The memories were gone...but so was the pain. Would you want to remember that, Commander? Even if it meant watching everyone die again?

 

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Do you make Javik touch the Echo Shard, or not? 

 

Personally, I don't like having him go through the pain that the Echo Shard contain even if there are good memories there. I mean, watching everyone die again? That's a lot to go through....and plus, I like that he doesn't talk about ending himself after the war, I prefer him to live and write a book with Liara and whatnot. :-)

[shit's fucked cunts]

Indeed. It's about bloody time those two started getting along.

[SporkFu]

I always figured that if Javik never wanted to use it, why would he keep it, so I always have him use it.

[Mordokai]

Indeed. It's about bloody time those two started getting along.

 

That's my train of thought as well. I've tried both versions and while the one where you have him use it is rather poignant, I prefer for him to live and make most of his second chance.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I usually have him use it. 

[Reorte]

As someone else mentioned why carry it with him if he won't ever use it? However there's an argument that this isn't the time for it - when the Reapers are defeated and he's settled down somewhat might be rather better.

[DeinonSlayer]

I've seen all three outcomes amoong my different Shepards. For Canon MaleShep (colonist/ruthless), letting old ghosts rest was a very hard-learned lesson. He broke up the fight with Liara by siding with Javik and discouraged Javik from viewing the shard. Canon FemShep (colonist/sole survivor, RP'd as having been a Cerberus member all the way through ME1) brought Javik to Thessia and sided with Liara in the fight, but on some level still yearned for the simpler life before all this happened, and encouraged him to view the shard. My TrollShep modelled after Jayne Cobb brought Javik to Thessia and did not intervene in the fight, discouraging him from using the shard.

I'm honestly trying to remember what Javik said he'd do then. I know he'll typically muse about becoming a king to the Hanar if you don't break up the fight with Liara, but Kahje was destroyed in my JayneShep playthrough. I'd have to look it up.

[themikefest]

 Majority of the time I let him touch the shard.

[Propelled Rage]

I'll admit to my shame that I went the blind top right way the very first time. IMO the 'renegade' choice is the way to go in this one, who woulda thunk.

[ImaginaryMatter]

I always have him avoid touching the shard. All my Shepard's generally preach about moving on from the past, Javik would be no different.

 

Plus I like the idea of him and Liara (after dropping the whole Shadow Broker thing) palling around looking for Prothean ruins. I even drew a slide of them in what looks to be a Prothean ruin with both of them standing over a stasis pod.

[Mordokai]

I always have him avoid touching the shard. All my Shepard's generally preach about moving on from the past, Javik would be no different.

 

Plus I like the idea of him and Liara (after dropping the whole Shadow Broker thing) palling around looking for Prothean ruins. I even drew a slide of them in what looks to be a Prothean ruin with both of them standing over a stasis pod.

 

Care to share?

[Bob from Accounting]

What a coward. Delights in genocide and murder but has to hide from his own memories. Weak.

 

As he should be, of course.

 

Yes, I'm more than happy to bring the truth into the light for him.

[themikefest]

What a coward. Delights in genocide and murder but has to hide from his own memories. Weak.

 

As he should be, of course.

I like to see your reaction if you were in his spot.

[Bob from Accounting]

True, I might well be crippled and hiding from my memories, if I had the ability. But I would never sink the depths of his hypocrisy.

[jtav]

I usually choose Synthesis, so it strikes me as thematically appropriate he kill himself. Other playthroughs vary according to Shepard.

[NeroonWilliams]

I think almost all of my Shepards have had him experience the Shard.  Apart from meta-gaming about the outcome, I usually believe it is important to remember what you are fighting FOR.  I think only my most ruthless Sheps who have been pro-Javik all game have listened to Javik's stated desire to let it go.

 

Since the technology will work for Shepard, I really wish there was an option for Shepard to ask Javik for permission to use the Shard him/herself.  That's a vision I think might be worth seeing.

[DeinonSlayer]

What a coward. Delights in genocide and murder but has to hide from his own memories. Weak.

As he should be, of course.

Yes, I'm more than happy to bring the truth into the light for him.

More David being David.

Tell me, where does he "delight" in genocide? Aside from saying he'd execute Victus for incompetence (a common practice in certain human militaries even in recent times), where does he "delight" in murder?

I'm not defending Prothean imperialism, mind you - I'm asking where you got the impression Javik enjoyed what he had to do. He was born centuries into the Reaper's genocide of his people, at a point where their war was already long-since lost. He muses that, "had he been born earlier, he may have been the noble scholar" Liara envisioned him as.

I'm trying to recall if you said you even got the DLC.

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Well, my first time through I said he should view it, I mean, it might be nice to remember what is was like before. 

Then at Earth he said that afterward he'll commit suicide after everything is done. 

Well, that doesn't do anyone any good. Even if you don't like Javik, which I do, having him write a book on the Protheans on what they went through and how they were would be good for everyone. 

Asari-Vorcha offspring are allergic to dairy, I wonder what Asari-Prothean offspring are like. 

[Mordokai]

Asari-Vorcha offspring are allergic to dairy, I wonder what Asari-Prothean offspring are like. 

 

My guess? The first word to be uttered will no doubt be "primitive".

 

Or the child version of it... something along the lines of "phimative".

[DeinonSlayer]

My guess? The first word to be uttered will no doubt be "primitive".
 
Or the child version of it... something along the lines of "phimative".

There'd be some comedy gold to come from that relationship... "Kneel before Javik!"

[Bob from Accounting]

Somehow, I really don't think someone 'doing what they have to do' would actually be advocating for murder and genocide after allies, such as the krogan, have already committed to helping.

 

He's clearly very proud of the Prothean rule and defends it at every opportunity. And this is an empire that existed long before the Reapers arrived. Were the Protheans 'doing what they had to do' then?

[DeinonSlayer]

Devil's advocate here. See his "dangers of synthetic intelligence" blurb. He brings that up in his first conversation as their justification for uniting organics under one rule. One can think of it whatever they wish.

He supported the sabotage of the cure under the auspice that the Krogan could not be trusted. Even Eve says this is a valid concern - Wreav is an obvious example. He said he'd have detonated the bomb the day they rebelled instead of infecting them with a disease leading to a thousand-year waste into extinction ("There was no need for the Genophage"). Tell me, which is the more merciful of the two?

He suggested Shepard not place trust in the machines which were willingly working for the Reapers, for the second time, at the time the dialogue takes place. Is this an unreasonable stance?

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Javik is just a Renegade Shepard, who's funnier, a troll, and slightly less of an ******* to people. 

[Bob from Accounting]

The krogan can be trusted. They're not going to cause any trouble while the Reapers are attacking. As for the geth, the only one Shepard was putting trust in at the moment was Legion. The plan, at the moment, was to exterminate the geth. It's not the eve of the final mission on Rannoch that Shepard postulates "Maybe they don't all have to die."

[Steelcan]

The krogan can be trusted. They're not going to cause any trouble while the Reapers are attacking. As for the geth, the only one Shepard was putting trust in at the moment was Legion. The plan, at the moment, was to exterminate the geth. It's not the eve of the final mission on Rannoch that Shepard postulates "Maybe they don't all have to die."

You have clearly never played with Wreav in charge