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[Hanako Ikezawa]

Fantasy settings are fun in general. I had already been playing Bioware games for several years prior and haven't been disappointed. It was created and written by David Gaider, who had already wrote some of my favorite stuff. It doesn't mean I have to like the duty of a Grey Warden though. There are dialogue options that let you voice that. Even the writers know it can be perceived in different ways. If they wanted you to like it, it'd be like any other railroaded action adventure game.

 

edit: BTW, good question

Thank you. And good answer.

[BlueMagitek]

I don't know. Being a City Elf or Casteless Dwarf whom the nobles spat on now bowing to your will was a pretty good perk.

 

Well, going from the bottom of your society to the top does tend to be a good thing.  Going from 'not acknowledged by Stone' to '************* Paragon" is only the best thing ever.

 

But it is a step down for the nobles, who are now at a lower rung of society and tainted (DN/HN).  It depends on the mage's character (HM/EM), and it is a step down for the Dalish, who now has to put up with humans, the taint and his clan practically throwing itself off a cliff ala fictionalized lemming.

[CuriousArtemis]

But it is a step down for the nobles, who are now at a lower rung of society and tainted (DN/HN).  It depends on the mage's character (HM/EM), and it is a step down for the Dalish, who now has to put up with humans, the taint and his clan practically throwing itself off a cliff ala fictionalized lemming.

 

Yeah, that is why I consider my Dalish playthrough the most tragic. (And why it's probably my favorite.)

[BlueMagitek]

Well you don't know the last part.

 

My Dalish playthrough wasn't so much tragic as much as it was a black comedy.  Throw out all the human allies you could (or anyone who has spent too long around humans...), save the Anvil and elect Harrowmont because Bhelen is a funny name.  Kill Zevran for allying himself with humans.  Let Redcliffe die because, meh, humans.  Let Connor die because of your clan's tradition of killing abominations.  Purge the Circle because Tevinter.  Side with the Dalish because the Keeper asked you to do so.  Pick Anora as Queen and let Alistair go off to the dungeon (choose Loghain) because all humans look alike but Loghain's armor is shinier. Then commit Ultimate Sacrifice for great victory.

 

I didn't know that if you didn't have anyone to defend the gate, you get like, four random Ferelden knights at the end. 

[Clockwork_Wings]

I never could understand why so many players love the Wardens so much. Being a Warden sucks! The only good part about the entire organization is the cool uniform, and that wasn't even a thing until DA2!


From the way the devs talk about the default, it seems that the default choices are ones that have the least amount of impact on the plot, because a new player won't be able to appreciate callbacks. So I guess this means that if you made the Ultimate Sacrifice, the Warden/Warden-Commander won't be referenced much in DAI.

They still existed.  The battle for Amaranthine/Vigil's Keep still happened.  Either they killed the king of the intelligent, talking darkspawn, or they made an alliance with him.  While not quite as big as slaying an archedemon, these weren't small events. 

 

Mostly, I'm just curious.  Since there isn't a backstory for an Orlesian warden, I imagine an elf is as good as a human or dwarf and a mage is as good as a rogue or warrior.  Mostly, I'm just curious as to how they see the warden-commander.

 

My most recent warden was a Cousland who...he's young and not used to making decisions.

[BronzTrooper]

I don't know. Being a City Elf or Casteless Dwarf whom the nobles spat on now bowing to your will was a pretty good perk.

 

My human-hating city elf and my dwarf commoner approve.  

 

Well you don't know the last part.

 

My Dalish playthrough wasn't so much tragic as much as it was a black comedy.  Throw out all the human allies you could (or anyone who has spent too long around humans...), save the Anvil and elect Harrowmont because Bhelen is a funny name.  Kill Zevran for allying himself with humans.  Let Redcliffe die because, meh, humans.  Let Connor die because of your clan's tradition of killing abominations.  Purge the Circle because Tevinter.  Side with the Dalish because the Keeper asked you to do so.  Pick Anora as Queen and let Alistair go off to the dungeon (choose Loghain) because all humans look alike but Loghain's armor is shinier. Then commit Ultimate Sacrifice for great victory.

 

I didn't know that if you didn't have anyone to defend the gate, you get like, four random Ferelden knights at the end. 

 

Well... that one's tricky.  On one hand, there are blood mages, abominations, and demons roaming around the tower.  On the other, the Templars are controlled by the Chantry.  Besides, the Dalish don't blame mages for the fall of Arlathan and the Dales like Fenris does.  They blame humans in general.  

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Well... that one's tricky.  On one hand, there are blood mages, abominations, and demons roaming around the tower.  On the other, the Templars are controlled by the Chantry.  Besides, the Dalish don't blame mages for the fall of Arlathan and the Dales like Fenris does.  They blame humans in general.  

 

Fenris would blame the mages for loosing his car keys. Arlathan fell because of the mages, Dales fell because of the Chantry, assign blame where it belongs, now try telling that to the people who have been oppressed for over a millenia .To all fairness I don't think a Dalish could hate mages in general, considering the fact that every clan is led by a keeper who has access to .. you said it.. ancient magic.Also It'd be tad hypocritical for a Dalish to have a mage as a leader but also hate all mages because of Arlathan.

[CuriousArtemis]

Fenris would blame the mages for loosing his car keys. 

 

Great. I now want AU fanfiction of Fenris cursing mages every time he loses his car keys, drops something down the garbage disposal, or plugs up his toilet.

[Hazegurl]

I don't think I've role played a single one of my Wardens as wanting to be a Warden. I had a city Elf who wanted to just split the ghetto he was living in but had no plans to fully commit to the Wardens. I had a mage who just wanted to leave the circle. and a Noble who just wanted revenge on Howe. But in awakening I always play them as understanding how important the Grey wardens are and therefore will put whatever they were doing on hiatus to rebuild the order. Besides, a stronger Warden presence in the country meant more perks for the Commander. I suppose if you don't play awakening you can just say your Warden was made commander in name only while someone else did the dirty work.

[BronzTrooper]

Fenris would blame the mages for loosing his car keys. Arlathan fell because of the mages, Dales fell because of the Chantry, assign blame where it belongs, now try telling that to the people who have been oppressed for over a millenia .To all fairness I don't think a Dalish could hate mages in general, considering the fact that every clan is led by a keeper who has access to .. you said it.. ancient magic.Also It'd be tad hypocritical for a Dalish to have a mage as a leader but also hate all mages because of Arlathan.

 

Uh-huh...  And the fact that the elves of Arlathan had plenty of mages themselves has nothing to do with that?  Every race except for the dwarves has mages.  Each race has different view on magic.  Humans and city elves tend to fear magic because of the Chantry.  The Qunari are extremely wary of magic, seeing it as evil, but neccessary.  The Dalish embrace magic on the whole, but they generally do not approve of the use blood magic.  The Tevinter Imperium was made up entirely of humans.  The Exalted Marches was basically humans vs elves.  Do the differences between the ancient Tevinter Imperium and the Chantry make any difference?  Considering what happened (elves being force to give up their culture and live amongst humans or die/become wandering vagrants and wanted nowhere) I don't think so.  While, yes, you should only assign blame to where it belongs, considering how it was humans who drove the elves from both of their homelands, regardless of what they called themselves, I say blame lays at their feet.

 

I don't see how blaming magic makes any sense seeing how it is just as much a tool as a sword or hammer.  You don't blame a gun for killing someone.  You blame the one wielding it.

[JustJennie]

Am I the only one who played a diplomatic Dalish? 

 

As far as none of our PCs wanting to be wardens I came to the conclusion that if they weren't -bitter, angry, desprete, ect- they wouldn't have survived their Joining.

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

Am I the only one who played a diplomatic Dalish? 

 

As far as none of our PCs wanting to be wardens I came to the conclusion that if they weren't -bitter, angry, desprete, ect- they wouldn't have survived their Joining.

 

I, too played a helpful Dalish, just to prove the 'all dalish are savages' stereotype false.

 

Well my Dwarf Commoner was glad to be out of that cesspool he used to call home. And for my mage PC becoming a warden was a dream come true.. These are the only two origins that does not involve a horrible tragedy for the Warden.

[Wolfen09]

my wardens never whined like sir jory, he/she always accepted their fate

[BlueMagitek]

Well... that one's tricky.  On one hand, there are blood mages, abominations, and demons roaming around the tower.  On the other, the Templars are controlled by the Chantry.  Besides, the Dalish don't blame mages for the fall of Arlathan and the Dales like Fenris does.  They blame humans in general.  

 

You're right, that one probably could have gone either way, but remember, you're being allowed by humans to eliminate other humans and city elves, who had also gone abomination (meaning we had the entire "abominations get hunted down" Dalish rule to take into account).  So when the choice comes down for a Dalish to "save humans" and "eliminate humans", well, that's an easy option.

 

 

Fenris would blame the mages for loosing his car keys. Arlathan fell because of the mages, Dales fell because of the Chantry, assign blame where it belongs, now try telling that to the people who have been oppressed for over a millenia .To all fairness I don't think a Dalish could hate mages in general, considering the fact that every clan is led by a keeper who has access to .. you said it.. ancient magic.Also It'd be tad hypocritical for a Dalish to have a mage as a leader but also hate all mages because of Arlathan.

 

Tevinter are still major slavers.  And saving the Circle means assisting the Chantry, as does annulling the Circle.  Either way you're going to be helping out the Chantry, but annulling the Circle denies them the resource of the Circle. 

 

 

Am I the only one who played a diplomatic Dalish? 

 

Probably not, but when your character who believes that :

1. Humans cost Elf kind their immortality
2. Tevinter cost Elf kind Arlathan and are slavers
3. The Chantry cost the Elves the Dales

It's very difficult to care when you're forced by blonde-human-who-won't-stop-talking to care about the human nation of Ferelden.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Unless they die, it makes sense the Warden always becomes a Warden-Commander. I mean they did defeat a Blight in record time.

 

Considering that my warden tell wardens "screw you" in the end it don't in my pt

 

 

Question:

 

If you didn't want to play as a Grey Warden, why did you buy Dragon Age: Origins?

 

To play game and pretty much before buying game you don't even know what grey warden is if you didn't had any contact with da... besides that you have to be tainted no be grey warden if that was in case we could remove rp aspect just by giving 1 option "i love grey wardens i would do everything for them."

[JustJennie]

Probably not, but when your character who believes that :

1. Humans cost Elf kind their immortality
2. Tevinter cost Elf kind Arlathan and are slavers
3. The Chantry cost the Elves the Dales

It's very difficult to care when you're forced by blonde-human-who-won't-stop-talking to care about the human nation of Ferelden.

 

Yeah, but thats ancient history, surely not every Dalish is 'kill all humans!'  my Warden was more curious than hatefull, willing to seek a peaceful solution but happy to chop off the heads of anyone who won't listen to reason. And she related to Alister since he lost his 'clan'.

 

Anyway much as I love this discusion of our Wardens the point  I was trying to put across was does anyone know if load a DA:O file  in DA2 are they still refure to them as the Commander like Anders telling Merrill that he did meet the Dalish warden.(could try this myself just thought I'd see if anyone has tried this before I put forth the effert  )

 

I know our files probly won't transfer to DA:I but do you think there will be a 'my Warden became Warden-Commander' check box in the Keep?

 

Also does any one know if they're still the Commander during the events in DA2?  It been kinda bugging me...

[BronzTrooper]

1) Anyway much as I love this discusion of our Wardens the point  I was trying to put across was does anyone know if load a DA:O file  in DA2 are they still refure to them as the Commander like Anders telling Merrill that he did meet the Dalish warden.(could try this myself just thought I'd see if anyone has tried this before I put forth the effert  )

2) Also does any one know if they're still the Commander during the events in DA2?  It been kinda bugging me...

 

1) Actually, I imported my dwarf commoner Warden straight from DA:O (I kind of screwed up and forgot to import her into Awakening) and it seems like they refer to the Warden the same way as long as they didn't commit suicide by archdemon.  And I never brought Anders and Merrill with me at the same time for very long.  Damn, I wanted here that discussion between Anders and Merrill... (my first Dalish elf was already imported into DA2)  O guess I'll have to wait until I get my second Dalish elf imported into DA2...

 

2) I think they are.  According to Legacy, the 'Warden-Commander' said that Corypheus was too powerful to be free.  I assume that means the Hero of Fereldan Warden-Commander as opposed to whoever is Warden-Commander in the Free Marches (where they would likely have mentioned a name after the title).  It is possible that the Free Marches doesn't even have a Warden-Commander, considering how few Grey Warden outposts there are.  * shrugs *

[JustJennie]

That wasn't his "clan" in the way a Dalish experiences it. He was only a Warden for six months prior, and he didn't even know basic details about Duncan. He idolized him, and said ignorant things like "I don't know why Duncan would recruit that cutpurse, Daveth", when Duncan himself was more like Daveth in his youth. Worse even. Duncan was a thief and murdered a Warden.. and the Wardens recruited him as a punishment. Fast forward 20 years or so, and now we have Alistair thinking Duncan is the bees knees, and how this is his "family". He doesn't know anything about them.

 

Doesn't that need a spoiler tag? Not everyones read the books... myself included

 

Anyway, I wasn't trying to get get in to a debate about how naive Alister is just mentioning how I felt my Warden precived him and sympithized with him as a Dalish who tried not to see all shem as evil monsters...

[JustJennie]

2) I think they are.  According to Legacy, the 'Warden-Commander' said that Corypheus was too powerful to be free.  I assume that means the Hero of Fereldan Warden-Commander as opposed to whoever is Warden-Commander in the Free Marches (where they would likely have mentioned a name after the title).  It is possible that the Free Marches doesn't even have a Warden-Commander, considering how few Grey Warden outposts there are.  * shrugs *

 

Yeah, I just played Legacy and I noticed that too that's why I was confused..

 

Wait wasn't the warden you meet in the beginning the former Warden-Commander for the Free Marches?

and I never understood how he would know the Commander, hadn't he been down there a while??

 

*sigh* The wardens in DA2 confuse me

Modifié par JustJennie, 08 avril 2014 - 05:46 .

[JustJennie]

Anyways.. I just don't see his plight as anything like getting taken away from a whole clan and culture you were raised with.

 

Equal? No.  Relateable? I say yes.  They both lose their family in the end...

[Loghain Mac-Tir]

I think he's kind of sad for growing so attached to a group as his "family" after only six months. A family of grim warriors and ex murderers who put him through a blood magic ritual, no less. It's a bit absurd.

 

Look at this from his perspective, He was a sad puppy whom no one ever loved, His father threw him to Eamon, his half-brother didn't even acknowledge his existence, Eamon himself sent him away because of that b!tch wife of his, And then he grew up among preachy, sanctimonious hags and "holy" drug addicts, and when Duncan recruited him, he finally found a place where he could have a sense of belonging, before they all died horrible deaths.