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[shonawarrior]

Let's assume that he exists, ok

 

He gets a lot of hate basically because he doesn't poof things to people. However the Maker just doesn't interfere with creation (people's business basically)

 

He created Thedas to be exist independent on its own. That's why the people there have souls, and not like the Fade, and its Spirits, who lack souls, and thus lack true individuality, and imagination. Thus are always dependent on something else's individuality.

 

But lets say he interferes in the world, wouldn't people start calling him a dictator? (I'm serious)

 

He did when the people of Thedas went too far. When they tried to interfere in his business, his City. They invaded with pride, desire, and envy, hoping to take his glory for themselves.

 

It was their own fault, they invaded his space, and he kicked them out with a souvenir that they caused.

 

The blight he gave them is literally the manifestation of their sin, and even if the city was black to begin with, it was humans who breached the prison, and released the Taint he was guarding.

 

The chantry, did a lot of good under Andraste (fighting the Tervinter Empirium). But now its become corrupt. People blame the Maker, even though again, its the corruption of people. (he doesn't interfere with creation)

 

I think the reason people hate him is because he is above them, and kind of an all-powerful figure they cannot comprehend.

[Mockingword]

Lol.

 

A few people, who are now most likely long dead (barring Corypheus), invaded the Maker's 'golden city'.

 

In response, he sent down an army of darkness to spread taint and decay across the entire known world for thousands of years.

 

Yeah, he sounds totally reasonable.

[Hellion Rex]

Lol.

 

A few people, who are now most likely long dead (barring Corypheus), invaded the Maker's 'golden city'.

 

In response, he sent down an army of darkness to spread taint and decay across the entire known world for thousands of years.

 

Yeah, he sounds totally reasonable.

If he's even responsible. Could be that the magisters simply let something loose when they entered into the City.

[Mockingword]

If he's even responsible. Could be that the magisters simply let something loose when they entered into the City.

I'm not saying the Maker did any of those things, or that he even exists. But OP says to assume those things for the sake of argument, and that's what I'm responding to.

[Lord Xendria]

Lol.

 

A few people, who are now most likely long dead (barring Corypheus), invaded the Maker's 'golden city'.

 

In response, he sent down an army of darkness to spread taint and decay across the entire known world for thousands of years.

 

Yeah, he sounds totally reasonable.

And even if he exists and isn't responsible, doesn't stop the fact that the Chantry and worshippers in the Chantry still preach about it being "our sin! our punishment!", He turned his back on the world, etc. etc..

 

The fact that they go around believing that, and thinking it's alright to worship someone who'd punish everyone for the fallacies of a few... which makes the Chantry then turn around and do the exact same thing to mages.. well, it's pretty irritating. And reminds me too much of the "god fearing" aspects of some of our own religions.

 

Personally, I think it's more a case of the people bastardizing the Chant of Light to mean what they want it to mean, but if the Maker -did- do those things.. I don't exactly consider him praise worthy. I doubt they'll ever reveal too much about the deities of Thedas, though.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I doubt they'll ever reveal too much about the deities of Thedas, though.

Bioware has actually stated years ago that the Maker will be left purposefully vague. 

[Mockingword]

Which is as good as saying that he doesn't exist, in my book.

[Heimdall]

Which is as good as saying that he doesn't exist, in my book.

On a practical level, I agree. He won't be stepping down from the heavens to say high anytime soon.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Which is as good as saying that he doesn't exist, in my book.

Indeed. And is just as good as saying he exists for others. 

[shonawarrior]

Lol.

 

A few people, who are now most likely long dead (barring Corypheus), invaded the Maker's 'golden city'.

 

In response, he sent down an army of darkness to spread taint and decay across the entire known world for thousands of years.

 

Yeah, he sounds totally reasonable.

The guy was a benevolent god, who created life and all the good stuff every has. He minded his own business, and let others do their own business, be it killing each other or worshiping other gods, whatever. He lets them do their own stupid stuff. He ignored them.

 

However, these guy effed with him deeply. They invaded his City, and planned to get rid of him, for nothing. He couldn't ignore them any longer. He stopped them, and to make sure no one does it again. He blighted them, and the rest of the world.

 

Truth be told, if he hadn't, and just killed them or send them back, many would have followed their steps and did what they did, now that its proven they could go to the City of the Maker. They could have came back more, and agai

 

These Magisters were fooled by the old gods they took worship of, and are the ones who cursed the world through entering with their evil desires. Pissing off a benevolent deity.

 

Lesson, don't eff with the guy who is silent. (funny thing is that he doesn't even care, its just that people effed with him. He created thedas to be independent )

[EmissaryofLies]

He's a hateful, vindictive and absentee deity. What is there to like about such a failure? 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

He's a hateful, vindictive and absentee deity. What is there to like about such a failure? 

Well, there's the whole "Without him, we wouldn't exist" thing. 

[Mockingword]

The guy was a benevolent god, who created life and all the good stuff every has. He minded his own business, and let others do their own business, be it killing each other or worshiping other gods, whatever. He lets them do their own stupid stuff. He ignored them.

 

However, these guy effed with him deeply. They invaded his City, and planned to get rid of him, for nothing. He couldn't ignore them any longer. He stopped them, and to make sure no one does it again. He blighted them, and the rest of the world.

 

Truth be told, if he hadn't, and just killed them or send them back, many would have followed their steps and did what they did, now that its proven they could go to the City of the Maker.

 

These Magisters were fooled by the old gods they took worship of, and are the ones who cursed the world through entering with their evil desires. Pissing off a benevolent deity.

 

This is punishment, and the people of Thedas are proving themselves through endurance. Killing the old gods through this as well. If the blight ends, maybe they won't do it again.

So I was right the first time, and the Maker is a sociopathic crybaby.

[EmissaryofLies]

Well, there's the whole "Without him, we wouldn't exist" thing. 

 

Given the state of things on that hellhole called Thedas, perhaps that's a good thing.

[Mockingword]

Well, there's the whole "Without him, we wouldn't exist" thing. 

So children should be grateful to neglectful and abusive parents because "without them, you wouldn't exist"?

[AresKeith]

*sigh*

[Hellion Rex]

*Le sigh*

FTFY

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So children should be grateful to neglectful and abusive parents because "without them, you wouldn't exist"?

The question was "What is their to like about such a failure?" 

 

And the answer is he created life. He also created positive feelings such as happiness, love, etc. Everything positive people experience is just as much his work as the negative, so there is a lot to like about him. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

*sigh*

That's my feeling too. 

[EmissaryofLies]

Quentin created life...

[Darth Krytie]

These conversations are always amusing. Say, the maker created man (and all sapient creatures) and he says, don't do the thing. And they do the thing. Who is at fault? The Maker, obviously. He created man to be insatiably curious, contrary to a fault (don't do it! gonna do it!), and possessing free will. If he really wanted a man-free city, then he shouldn't have created man as he did. And if people claim that the Maker in omniscient, then he knew it was gonna happen before it even did.

 

Releasing the darkspawn on the world in punishment for man acting EXACTLY HOW HE CREATED THEM is the greatest overreaction in the history of Thedas. It's a tantrum and a half and the punishment sure doesn't fit the crime.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Quentin created life...

Not really. Keeping someone alive as you transmogrify them into your dead love is not the same as creating it.  

[AresKeith]

Releasing the darkspawn on the world in punishment for man acting EXACTLY HOW HE CREATED THEM is the greatest overreaction in the history of Thedas. It's a tantrum and a half and the punishment sure doesn't fit the crime.

That's assuming that bit is true

[Hellion Rex]

Quentin created life...

No, all he did was bring someone back, he didn't actually create life.

[Darth Krytie]

That's assuming that bit is true

That's what the OP said to do...assume that it's true.