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[shonawarrior]

That is complete and utter bullshit.

No you are,

 

I'm serious mate, maybe where you are from, but here, if someone weaker than you takes your stuff, they get their ass handed to them.

[wolfhowwl]

 

Just me again'st the  world.

 

If this is my fate--

 

-I ACCEPT IT WITHOUT HESITATION!!!!

 

 

 

Now this is the kind of quality posting I want to see on the BSN.

[shonawarrior]

What does that have to do with American laws on when it is or isn't acceptable to kill an intruder?

the tervinter were planning on getting rid of the maker, eliminating him, and taking on his throne

[Hanako Ikezawa]

the tervinter were planning on getting rid of the maker, eliminating him, and taking on his throne

Then your comparison of the Maker's Laws to American Laws on the matter is entirely inaccurate. 

[Grieving Natashina]

What does that have to do with American laws on when it is or isn't acceptable to kill an intruder?

<pokes her head in from the broken window>

 

Agreed.  For that matter, what does American laws (that only apply to some states) have to do with Thedas at all?

 

Yeah...

[Thomas Andresen]

No you are,
 
I'm serious mate, maybe where you are from, but here, if someone weaker than you takes your stuff, they get their ass handed to them.

Then you're put in jail alongside the burglar. In Norway, murder is never acceptable, nor is beating the crap out of someone. It's all considered criminal offences.

[Ryzaki]

lol If you invade someone's house anywhere else, you'l get horribly beaten.... what are you talking about?

 

While I'm of the firm opinion anyone stupid enough to try to rob someone's house deserves anything they get no this is not the case remotely. Plenty of robbers are stopped non violently.

[shonawarrior]

Then you're put in jail alongside the burglar. In Norway, murder is never acceptable, nor is beating the crap out of someone. It's all considered criminal offences.

I though Norway was home to the Berserkers, what happened?

[Thomas Andresen]

"The Berserkers." Wat?

[shonawarrior]

OK who would be the best god.

 

The Maker (ignores creation, but doesn't take crap from no one), or the Magisters of Tervinter,...... (nicest guys you know)?

[Hellion Rex]

hi Aizen

Nah, this isn't Aizen, though it's pretty damn close.

[Divine Justinia V]

all i know is i'm too tired to have a cat fight

[Ryzaki]

all i know is i'm too tired to have a cat fight

 

Aww

[AresKeith]

Aww

 

Well you can have a catfight with her lulz

[Maria Caliban]

You know, if the Maker were a hot, bisexual blue space virgin, you wouldn't hear half as many complaints about her.

[Ryzaki]

Well you can have a catfight with her lulz

 

XD

 

You know, if the Maker were a hot, bisexual blue space virgin, you wouldn't hear half as many complaints about her.

 

Sweet Maker no. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO /Vadar

[AresKeith]

You know, if the Maker were a hot, bisexual blue space virgin, you wouldn't hear half as many complaints about her.

 

Giggity 

[Lillian]

You know, if the Maker were a hot, bisexual blue space virgin, you wouldn't hear half as many complaints about her.

Nah... My slap would just look more like this

[shonawarrior]

My song for the Maker!! Hail to the King!!

 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Ugh...

 

Ok, the Chantry's doesn't assign responsibility for the darkspawn to the Maker. The story goes that the Magisters were responsibly for blackening the city and bringing the taint back to Thedas. The Maker didn't send the darkspawn back as a punishment for all the world. The darkspawn were the unintended consequence of the Magisters' hubris.

 

If the Maker exists and the Chantry is right, the most you can say about him is that he's basically inactive. Everything else that happens is because the choices of people of Thedas cause them to happen.

[shonawarrior]

Ugh...

 

Ok, the Chantry's doesn't assign responsibility for the darkspawn to the Maker. The story goes that the Magisters were responsibly for blackening the city and bringing the taint back to Thedas. The Maker didn't send the darkspawn back as a punishment for all the world. The darkspawn were the unintended consequence of the Magisters' hubris.

 

If the Maker exists and the Chantry is right, the most you can say about him is that he's basically inactive. Everything else that happens is because the choices of people of Thedas cause them to happen.

Thank you. I love this guy, '

 

"you and I, we're the only one who are not complete fools around here"

[CELL55]

Checking the usually reliable DA Wiki and we find that:

 

"Yet the Maker turned away from His first children, because while they could alter their world at will, they lacked a soul, and could only copy, not create or imagine for themselves. Dissatisfied with the result, He left the Fade behind, creating the world of Thedas instead," we also find that:

 

"According to the Chantry, the dwarves were not among his creations" and:

 

"The next realm that the Maker created was one that his new creations would not be able to change at will. He separated it from the first by putting the Veil in between them, not realizing that His first children would be able to observe His new children and grow envious of their ability to envisage new things".

 

Emphasis added. From this we can determine that the Maker is a) not all-powerful, did not make everything, and c) not all-seeing. What can we surmise from this? As much or as little as we care to; his characteristics are so vague that we truly know little more about him than him creating at least the humans (probably) and being either unwilling, unaware, or unable to help people with their problems. 

 

We could reasonably claim that he wants to see everyone suffer and so cursed everyone with the Blights. We could also quite reasonably claim that he only made the first few darkspawn that way to punish the magisters, and everything that happened after was unintentional. I make the claim that we know so little about his motivations or his personality that it is effectively impossible to claim why anything exists, unless you subscribe to Chantry teaching. Maybe the Maker doesn't interfere so that people do not lose self-determination. Maybe the Maker doesn't interfere because he's learned his lesson and doesn't want to start anything that might have unintentional consequences. Maybe the Maker wants everyone to prove that they are worthy of his time. Who knows? Can anyone know?

 

I guess it's a bit of a cop-out to claim that those both for and against the Maker make legitimate claims and voice legitimate concerns, but there it is.