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[umadcommander]

the dalish arent strong enough to hold a nation together, if they were theyd have formed up and taken lands by now especially with the unrest, there is a reason why they never face groups like the templars or a true military and choose to intimidate commoners instead

[Steelcan]

And thus we now try to snag the Dales.

 

Don't be surprised when you don't get to

[LobselVith8]

@Xil, would you seriously keep the eluvians going if it meant the sky ripped open and unleashed hell on Thedas?

 

How about we don't automatically employ the idea of the apocalypse taking place if the elves are no longer forced to live in servitude to humanity? Just an idea.

[Hellion Rex]

Yes, the elves, then the qunari as a whole

I meant the veil tears lol. One thing at a time, Steel.

[Hellion Rex]

How about we don't automatically employ the idea of the apocalypse taking place if the elves are no longer forced to live in servitude to humanity? Just an idea.

And what if the eluvians ARE responsible, Lob? What then?

[Steelcan]

I meant the veil tears lol. One thing at a time, Steel.

Ambitions and all

[Xilizhra]

Don't we have bigger fish to fry though?

Potentially. It seems unlikely the two goals will clash.

 

 

You can, you know, at the very least follow the laws that they've put into place.  But fair enough.

 

Also, how short sighted are you?  If the Dalish have more (they already have a mask that can tear the veil, or, so I've heard mentioned in one of the books/comics) veil tearing artifacts, and they use them to threaten human nations, every nation, Andrastian or otherwise, is going to come down on them.  And they'll deserve what they get for unleashing unspeakable horrors onto people who have nothing to do with the situation. 

I suggest you argue with Eluvianix on that matter, then, who says that the elves would apparently have enough power for that not to matter.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The Eluvians were guarded, and not within immediate reach. Also, I see nothing sad about an elf wanting to help the elves. I'm hoping my elven Inquisitor can work with Briala in helping the Elvhen.

I was referring to the fact that those "who have lost the knowledge of their ancestors" knows how to operate an artifact from that ere better than the Dalish, the keepers of that knowledge.

[Master Warder Z_]

And what if the eluvians ARE responsible, Lob? What then?

 

Then "tough the elves need my help!"

 

._.

 

Favoritism and Selfishness.

[AresKeith]

 

No more than necessary.

 

Ummm no

[umadcommander]

How about we don't automatically employ the idea of the apocalypse taking place if the elves are no longer forced to live in servitude to humanity? Just an idea.

if the dalish were to have a large power base they would not coexist with the humans, there would be massive bloodshed

[Steelcan]

How about we don't automatically employ the idea of the apocalypse taking place if the elves are no longer forced to live in servitude to humanity? Just an idea.

 

Until we actually learn why its as good an explanation as any

[Master Warder Z_]

Until we actually learn why its as good an explanation as any

 

Indeed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How about we don't automatically employ the idea of the apocalypse taking place if the elves are no longer forced to live in servitude to humanity? Just an idea.

Your the only one making that leap, Lob. I want the elves to be free too, but I don't see the Eluvians as the best way to go about it. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It has absolutely nothing to do with humanity. It has to deal with a balance of power in the world. Or do you truly believe the Dalish will remain uncorrupted by this immense magical power?

[Master Warder Z_]

Your the only one making that leap, Lob. I want the elves to be free too, but I don't see the Eluvians as the best way to go about it. 

 

I just want them to coexistence along with Humanity and i don't view that as likely via the Dalish. Or those stupid mirrors.

[LobselVith8]

Oh yeah, I'm shattering the mirrors. Heaven help the idiot that gets in my way.

 

I'm interested in utilizing the technology to the benefit of the Elvhen, because I don't think technology or magic is automatically evil. It's also nice to see Briala mention the beneficial ways in which the Eluvians can help the elves; basically, Merrill's goal fully realized.

 

It has absolutely nothing to do with humanity. It has to deal with a balance of power in the world. Or do you truly believe the Dalish will remain uncorrupted by this immense magical power?

 

It's in Briala's hands, and secured by a specific phrase only she is privy to. Utilizing the technology to feed the hungry and protecting people from catastrophes is hardly the apocalypse some of you are painting it as.

[EmissaryofLies]

if the dalish were to have a large power base they would not coexist with the humans, there would be massive bloodshed

 

That greatly depends on quite a few variables. 

 

It would be the most idiotic thing that they could possibly do were they to gain land or build a large power base. 

 

I don't see that happening on a grand scale. 

[umadcommander]

That greatly depends on quite a few variables. 

 

It would be the most idiotic thing that they could possibly do were they to gain land or build a large power base. 

 

I don't see that happening on a grand scale. 

you really think with how resentful they are that if given the opportunity to stick it to the humans the dalish wouldnt take it?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

you really think with how resentful they are that if given the opportunity to stick it to the humans the dalish wouldnt take it?

Don't forget their belief that being near humans robbed them of immortality. If there are no humans, they get it back.

[LobselVith8]

Don't we have bigger fish to fry though?

 

Giving the elves a place where they can free from being killed en mass, and where they won't be persecuted or killing for following the Creators, is worth the effort.

 

And what if the eluvians ARE responsible, Lob? What then?

 

What if they aren't? What if elven technology isn't automatically evil incarnate? Just a thought.

[umadcommander]

Don't forget their belief that being near humans robbed them of immortality. If there are no humans, they get it back.

thats true as well, id forgotten about that

[Shadow Fox]

Between the templars pursuing the Dalish and their religion being criminalized, and the elves of the human cities being victim to persecution and purges en mass against the populace, I'm not seeing why the status quo should be maintained. With an independent Dales, there's a possibility of a homeland for elves everywhere, free from religious persecution and mass killings against the populace for protesting their living conditions. I think that's a worthy goal.

Until the Dalish start persecuting the Andrastian City Elves for not converting you mean?

[LobselVith8]

the dalish arent strong enough to hold a nation together, if they were theyd have formed up and taken lands by now especially with the unrest, there is a reason why they never face groups like the templars or a true military and choose to intimidate commoners instead

 

That's quite a bit of presumption about how the Dalish would operate as a whole, based on the myriad of clans. I recall the summary about the Dalish reads, "The Keeper that leads each clan also further increases tensions with the Chantry. Apprenticed from a young age, Keepers maintain the traditions of elven magic and pass down their knowledge in turn. The Chantry regards all Keepers as apostates, mages who operate outside of the Circle of Magi, but unlike rogue mages from human society who are quickly hunted down by the templar orders, the Keepers are not so easily taken. Pity the templar who takes it into his heart to track the Dalish into the forests, thinking to take the leader of a clan prisoner."

 

I'm not quite as cynical on the prospect of an independent elven kingdom as you are.

[EmissaryofLies]

you really think with how resentful they are that if given the opportunity to stick it to the humans the dalish wouldnt take it?

 

If it meant potentially taking away all that they have fought for? 

 

No I do not. 

 

That is not to say that you won't have your extremists on both sides who might skirmish against one another.