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[LobselVith8]

...I feel really nerdy and selfish for wanting Eluvians around for the simple pursuit of knowledge.

That's cool.

You can be on Team Finn.

I wonder what happened to that guy. I heard a developer joked he was having adventures with Ariane.

[Xilizhra]

I was being metaphorical, Xil. I'm not gonna burn down the damn forest. Doesn't mean I'm gonna let the Dalish keep the mirrors unopposed.

And why do you think you'll even be permitted to oppose them there?

[Hellion Rex]

And why do you think you'll even be permitted to oppose them there?

We'll see. I need to read both Masked Empire and see what's going on in DAI before I do anything definitive. Nonetheless, I'm really happy that I have to watch the Dalish now as well as the Orlesians, on top of dealing with the damn Veil falling apart.

[dragondreamer]

Team Finn? Why have I not heard of this?

 

Probably because I just made it up.  

 

But there should be a Team Finn!  Considering how interested he was in the eluvians, it'd be nice to see him show up in DA:I.  (And Ariane too!)

[dragondreamer]

That's cool.


I wonder what happened to that guy. I heard a developer joked he was having adventures with Ariane.

 

I ship it, so I'm pleased to hear that.  

[Lillian]

We'll see. I need to read both Masked Empire and see what's going on in DAI before I do anything definitive. Nonetheless, I'm really happy that I have to watch the Dalish now as well as the Orlesians, on top of dealing with the damn Veil falling apart.

Don't forget the whole Mage-Templar War and any other complications they throw in that melting pot of disaster.

[Hellion Rex]

Don't forget the whole Mage-Templar War and any other complications they throw in that melting pot of disaster.

Ah sh!t. Can't forget about that too lol.

[sandalisthemaker]

I don't really get the disdain some city elf fans have for the Dalish. I'm looking forward to helping all the elves as a Dalish Inquisitor. When Ferelden law states that it's illegal to kill a human to protect an elf, and the servitude of Orlesian elves can remind an elven Warden of slavery, I'm not seeing it as a "city elves versus Dalish" situation.

 

Eh. It just boils down to me feeling bad for the City Elves and not for the Dalish. That being said, I'm not going to go on a killing rampage to liberate City Elves. That's not a priority of mine, but if there is a side quest or two to help a city elf out, I'll take it. 

[Dean_the_Young]

Don't forget the whole Mage-Templar War and any other complications they throw in that melting pot of disaster.

 

It would certainly be deeply uncomfortable for some if the prospect of a desperately needed alliance with a powerful patron led, say, the mages to use their arcane powers against the rebelling elves to strike an alliance with one of the Orlesian factions.

 

Sensible, in that a mage-Orlesian alliance would be significantly more valuable and stable than a mage-elven rebellion, but uncomfortable none the less.

[Xilizhra]

It would certainly be deeply uncomfortable for some if the prospect of a desperately needed alliance with a powerful patron led, say, the mages to use their arcane powers against the rebelling elves to strike an alliance with one of the Orlesian factions.

 

Sensible, in that a mage-Orlesian alliance would be significantly more valuable and stable than a mage-elven rebellion, but uncomfortable none the less.

Sounds like time to get one's Inquisition diplomacy on in such a scenario. No point in gratuitous discomfort, yes?

[Hellion Rex]

Sounds like time to get one's Inquisition diplomacy on in such a scenario. No point in gratuitous discomfort, yes?

In that sense, very much so. I can see how diplomacy plays a much bigger role in this game, and I feel like the Inquisitor is gonna end having to keep a bunch of different groups from simply declaring open warfare on each other.

[LobselVith8]

I ship it, so I'm pleased to hear that.

A human Circle mage and a Dalish warrior; the odd couple of Thedas. They certainly had fun conversations:

Finn: Ah, don't you wish you could just ****** anywhere you wanted to without having people give you dirty looks?

Ariane: What?! No! Why, do you?

Finn: What?! No, of course not.

I can see Ariane returning the elven tome to her Keeper once Morrigan left through the Eluvian, along with the "gift" Morrigan left behind if the Warden-Commander leaves with her. The gift may be the inception of a brand new adventure.

[Hellion Rex]

A human Circle mage and a Dalish warrior; the odd couple of Thedas. They certainly had fun conversations:

Finn: Ah, don't you wish you could just ****** anywhere you wanted to without having people give you dirty looks?

Ariane: What?! No! Why, do you?

Finn: What?! No, of course not.

I can see Ariane returning the elven tome to her Keeper once Morrigan left through the Eluvian, along with the "gift" Morrigan left behind if the Warden-Commander leaves with her. The gift may be the inception of a brand new adventure.

For some reason, that tome Morrigan left the Warden seems like a possible reason the Warden could have left.

[Dean_the_Young]

Sounds like time to get one's Inquisition diplomacy on in such a scenario. No point in gratuitous discomfort, yes?

 

Not at all. Plenty of points to be made in playing the player's sympathies, priorities, and common moralities against each other.

 

Mages benefit from an Orlesian patron. City elves benefit from an Orlesian patron. Plenty of narrative sense in letting the two roughly balance eachother out by siding on different sides of a third conflict. Strategic sense as well- while either side may be leery about making such an alliance, seeing the other side create one alliance may catalyze the other side into seeking their own new ally.

 

Not that the Inquisitor can't bring the diplomacy, mind you- crushing Orlesian rivals and their elven/mage/elven-mage allies can simply be a part of that.

[Xilizhra]

Not at all. Plenty of points to be made in playing the player's sympathies, priorities, and common moralities against each other.

 

Mages want an Orlesian patron. City elves want an Orlesian patron. Plenty of narrative sense in letting the two roughly balance eachother out by siding on different sides of a third conflict.

 

Not that the Inquisitor can't bring the diplomacy, mind you- crushing Orlesian rivals and their elven/mage/elven-mage allies can simply be a part of that.

Potential is there, but only if one can take a third option to get all of the right sides to come together. Let those who want grimdark choose that, let those who don't choose otherwise.

[WardenWade]

That's cool.


I wonder what happened to that guy. I heard a developer joked he was having adventures with Ariane.

 

 

Team Finn? Why have I not heard of this?

 

Probably because I just made it up.  

 

But there should be a Team Finn!  Considering how interested he was in the eluvians, it'd be nice to see him show up in DA:I.  (And Ariane too!)

 

I always liked how Finn and Ariane became friends over the course of Witch Hunt too   Both ultimately became more open-minded as well, in my opinion, and put aside some of their expected prejudices and assumptions about one another (Circle mage and elf) and about the world at large (Finn resolved to study dwarven history when he returned to the tower, for example, never expecting to witness such rich culture in a magic-free society; and Ariane learned what the Cadash dwarves had sacrificed for the elves, and how much of the elves' past the Circle has helped to preserve).  They make a good team, I think.

[Dean_the_Young]

Potential is there, but only if one can take a third option to get all of the right sides to come together. Let those who want grimdark choose that, let those who don't choose otherwise.

I agree- a Celene/Gaspard alliance to crush the minority rebellions that wouldn't side with them would be a reasonable third option in the context of the setting and the franchise.

[Xilizhra]

I agree- a Celene/Gaspard alliance to crush the minority rebellions that wouldn't side with them would be a reasonable third option in the context of the setting and the franchise.

No, I was more referring to a Dalish/mage/city elf alliance which may or may not have an Orlesian patron.

[MisterJB]

Welp, there's been two games now where I've approached the Dalish with scruffy humans, city elves, dwarves, etc, and I've yet to be shot at as a greeting.  Grumbled at, yes, and I've also been spoken to politely and sometimes apologized to.  However, they have reason to protect their very families from a species with a long history of violence and cruelty towards them, and I can't blame them for that.

 

The Dalish enjoy reminding the PC they have arrows trained on them at all times; just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

I don't blame them for protecting themselves; in this situation, I blame them for trying to tell citizens, whether it be fereldens or marchers; where they can and can't go inside their own countries.

Their aggregations are not recognized by the sovereign ruler and they have no right to appropriate public space.

[dragondreamer]

A human Circle mage and a Dalish warrior; the odd couple of Thedas. They certainly had fun conversations:

Finn: Ah, don't you wish you could just ****** anywhere you wanted to without having people give you dirty looks?

Ariane: What?! No! Why, do you?

Finn: What?! No, of course not.

I can see Ariane returning the elven tome to her Keeper once Morrigan left through the Eluvian, along with the "gift" Morrigan left behind if the Warden-Commander leaves with her. The gift may be the inception of a brand new adventure.

 

I may have a fondness for odd couples.  (I certainly always romance Fenris with a mage Hawke...)  

 

That's an idea.  My Surana didn't go through with Morrigan, but I wonder if they learned what she left in either case.  Maybe they actually have some clue about where the Warden went if not through the eluvian...

[Dean_the_Young]

No, I was more referring to a Dalish/mage/city elf alliance which may or may not have an Orlesian patron.

 

A bunch of groups with little common identity, culture, or interests?

 

What sort of third way are you thinking of in a serious/plausible manner? Are they going to duke it out or something? Create an alliance-oligarchy in which all three get their own fiefdom and promise not to hit eachother as they stand back to back to back?

[Xilizhra]

A bunch of groups with little common identity, culture, or interests?

 

Uh, sure. That makes sense.

What are Dalish, dwarves, mages and Redcliffe soldiers? Surely the Veil tears are as dire as the Blight, at least.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That being said, I agree with the sentiment that a Dalish country would be likely intolerant of Andrastaian elves, but as others have pointed out: why is that a problem? Andrastian elves would likely not want to move to a Dales that primarily worships the creators and follows the old ways and they wouldn't be forced to do so. Pol obviously never fully integrated into Dalish society: he doesn't have Vasellin, he accidentally brings up the Maker before the creators, but he's clearly totally accepted by the clan. I get the sense that the Dalish would be open to any city elf that wanted to embrace the old ways, and they would be largely forgiving of ignorance that comes as a result of their upbringing.

Anyone who asks "Why is intolerance a problem?" should really reevaluate their line of thought. 

 

The problem is why should the City Elves only source of refuge from human oppression be a place that you agree would be intolerant of them. Say a City Elf family is very happy believing in Andraste. What are their options? They'll either be persecuted by the humans for being elves or by the Dalish for not being "true elves". They have no 'happy solution'. You use Pol as an example but he is trying to be a Dalish in every sense of the word, hence him stopping himself halfway through Andraste and replacing it with Creators. 

[Xilizhra]

Anyone who asks "Why is intolerance a problem?" should really reevaluate their line of thought. 

 

The problem is why should the City Elves only source of refuge from human oppression be a place that you agree would be intolerant of them. Say a City Elf family is very happy believing in Andraste. What are their options? They'll either be persecuted by the humans for being elves or by the Dalish for not being "true elves". They have no 'happy solution'. You use Pol as an example but he is trying to be a Dalish in every sense of the word, hence him stopping himself halfway through Andraste and replacing it with Creators. 

What do you fear the Dalish would do to them, precisely?

[LobselVith8]

For some reason, that tome Morrigan left the Warden seems like a possible reason the Warden could have left.

Unless the Warden-Commander leaves the tome with Finn and Ariane to join Morrigan and help her. Otherwise, I can see that as a viable possibility.