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[Hanako Ikezawa]

What do you fear the Dalish would do to them, precisely?

Persecute any elf who wants to live out of human oppression and yet not adopt the Dalish ways. The elves the Dalish already insult with the term 'flat-ear'.

[Hellion Rex]

Unless the Warden-Commander leaves the tome with Finn and Ariane to join Morrigan and help her. Otherwise, I can see that as a viable possibility.

Well...****. Never mind then. Still, she had to have "gifted" it to the Warden for a reason.

[MisterJB]

Oh well. Guess this means I'm burning the Dales to the ground.

Now now, that is good human land you're talking about.

 

[Hellion Rex]

Now now, that is good human land you're talking about.

*snip*

Doesn't mean we can't use it afterwards.

[Lillian]

Lousy shemlen... Ragrafraga *mumble mumble*

[MisterJB]

I suppose we could use the dead Dalish for fertilizer.

[LobselVith8]

Persecute any elf who wants to live out of human oppression and yet not adopt the Dalish ways. The elves the Dalish already insult with the term 'flat-ear'.

The city elves use that term for elves who live outside the Alienage, and some vilify the Dalish as savages.

[Hellion Rex]

Lousy shemlen... Ragrafraga *mumble mumble*

What was that dear?

 

*brandishes staff*

[Lillian]

What was that dear?

 

*brandishes staff*

Nothing.

[Hellion Rex]

Nothing.

Good answer, knife-ear.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The city elves use that term for elves who live outside the Alienage, and some vilify the Dalish as savages.

From the Wiki:

 

The Dalish elves and city elves in particular have a strange and bitter relationship, dating from the splitting of the People after the fall of the Dales. Dalish tend to view their city brethren suspiciously and with pity as "flat-ears," virtually humans in elven skin who are "little better than their shemlen masters." They are seen as having given up on and forgotten their culture, and will need to be reminded of their past when a new homeland is founded.

 

On the other hand, city elves see the Dalish as near-myths: strange and savage "wood elves" living far from humans and preying upon the unwary; and yet somehow noble, as well. The Dalish are seen to be primitive elves who refuse to see the promise of the alienage, and live off the land in ways the average city elf could not. Indeed, city elves who choose to leave or live beyond the Alienage are labeled "flat-ears" as well by their city kin, ironically similar to the Dalish view, and subject to violence or resentment from other city elves.

 

And yet, for all this uncertainty, city and Dalish elves still interact positively now and then. For Alienage elves who seek to leave their home due to desperation, poverty or abuse, wandering Dalish clans are often seen as a sort of "last resort" haven. They are normally willing to take in a refugee from the cities and to largely refrain from attacking a city elf on the road, despite their uncertainty, and train them in the ways of their Creators and culture. Similarly, Alienages may take in a Dalish elf who has broken with their clan voluntarily or involuntarily.

[LobselVith8]

I may have a fondness for odd couples. (I certainly always romance Fenris with a mage Hawke...)

That's an idea. My Surana didn't go through with Morrigan, but I wonder if they learned what she left in either case. Maybe they actually have some clue about where the Warden went if not through the eluvian...

I'm not sure about that. Morrigan said that the Eluvian lead to a place "beyond this world, and beyond the Fade." The Hero of Ferelden did seem to return years later, as King Alistair references him.

Well...****. Never mind then. Still, she had to have "gifted" it to the Warden for a reason.

Why? It's not like it's implausible for the Hero of Ferelden to be gone for different reasons. Pursuing the knowledge from the tome, or working alongside Morrigan for her ambitious goal.

[dragondreamer]

The Dalish enjoy reminding the PC they have arrows trained on them at all times; just because you don't see them, doesn't mean they aren't there.

I don't blame them for protecting themselves; in this situation, I blame them for trying to tell citizens, whether it be fereldens or marchers; where they can and can't go inside their own countries.

Their aggregations are not recognized by the sovereign ruler and they have no right to appropriate public space.

 

Armed strangers wandering through camp where their children are, yeah, I'm not surprised they're watching like hawks.  But even the time they're dealing with templars torturing their child hunters, they don't immediately attack and can be talked down.  And the Dalish typically wander the wilderness, they have as much right to wander that as anyone.  Wilders are probably a bigger problem as far as that goes.

[Lillian]

Good answer, knife-ear.

Shemlen. You're a blight upon the world at large. The elvhen were a people of greatness that your quickened race will never reach. Every other race doesn't like you.

P.S. You're a bully.

[Hellion Rex]

Shemlen. You're a blight upon the world at large. The elvhen were a people of greatness that your quickened race will never reach. Every other race doesn't like you.

*snip*

P.S. You're a bully.

And remind me who now reigns over Thedas as the dominant race? And remind who is stuck in caravans travelling through the wilderness?

[LobselVith8]

From the Wiki:

The Dalish elves and city elves in particular have a strange and bitter relationship, dating from the splitting of the People after the fall of the Dales. Dalish tend to view their city brethren suspiciously and with pity as "flat-ears," virtually humans in elven skin who are "little better than their shemlen masters." They are seen as having given up on and forgotten their culture, and will need to be reminded of their past when a new homeland is founded.

On the other hand, city elves see the Dalish as near-myths: strange and savage "wood elves" living far from humans and preying upon the unwary; and yet somehow noble, as well. The Dalish are seen to be primitive elves who refuse to see the promise of the alienage, and live off the land in ways the average city elf could not. Indeed, city elves who choose to leave or live beyond the Alienage are labeled "flat-ears" as well by their city kin, ironically similar to the Dalish view, and subject to violence or resentment from other city elves.

And yet, for all this uncertainty, city and Dalish elves still interact positively now and then. For Alienage elves who seek to leave their home due to desperation, poverty or abuse, wandering Dalish clans are often seen as a sort of "last resort" haven. They are normally willing to take in a refugee from the cities and to largely refrain from attacking a city elf on the road, despite their uncertainty, and train them in the ways of their Creators and culture. Similarly, Alienages may take in a Dalish elf who has broken with their clan voluntarily or involuntarily.

Well, the fact that some Alienage elves also use the term 'flat ear', and look down on elves who try to live outside the Alienage, makes me curious. Would you paint all the city elves with the same brush over the views held by some of them?

[dragondreamer]

I'm not sure about that. Morrigan said that the Eluvian lead to a place "beyond this world, and beyond the Fade." The Hero of Ferelden did seem to return years later, as King Alistair references him.
 

 

Suppose it depends on all those things we still don't know...  *needs answers badly*

[Lillian]

And remind me who now reigns over Thedas as the dominant race? And remind who is stuck in caravans travelling through the wilderness?

I don't even feel like starting a joke argument that's gonna get this thread locked eventually. So good day~

[Hellion Rex]

I don't even feel like starting a joke argument that's gonna get this thread locked eventually. So good day~

[Lillian]

HAH! IMPATIENT, SPITEFUL SHEMLEN!

[Hanako Ikezawa]

None of that changes the fact that some Alienage elves also use the term 'flat ear', and look down on elves who try to live outside the Alienage. Would you paint all the city elves with the same brush over the views held by some of them?

The City Elves' views can partially be blamed on indoctrination caused by centuries of living under racist humans. What excuse do the Dalish have for viewing City Elves as "little better than their human oppressors."?

 

And City Elves we have seen treat Dalish Elves with respect. I have yet to see the Dalish do the same(again, taking in Cuty Elves to turn them Dalish doesn't count). 

[Lillian]

The City Elves' views can partially be blamed on indoctrination caused by centuries of living under racist humans. What excuse do the Dalish have for viewing City Elves as "little better than their human oppressors."?

 

And City Elves we have seen treat Dalish Elves with respect. I have yet to see the Dalish do the same(again, taking in Cuty Elves to turn them Dalish doesn't count). 

It seems like Dalish detest outsiders in general... Didn't a Dalish Warden receive the same abrasive response?

[LobselVith8]

Suppose it depends on all those things we still don't know... *needs answers badly*

Ariane and Finn could have embarked on that quest (perhaps the tome eluded to the impending veil tears that would bring the "change" Morrigan eluded to), while the Hero of Ferelden, Morrigan, their son and their faithful Mabari Hound were beyond the Eluvian. Maybe Ariane's clan became involved as well.

[MisterJB]

Armed strangers wandering through camp where their children are, yeah, I'm not surprised they're watching like hawks.  But even the time they're dealing with templars torturing their child hunters, they don't immediately attack and can be talked down.  And the Dalish typically wander the wilderness, they have as much right to wander that as anyone.  Wilders are probably a bigger problem as far as that goes.

 

I did not claim that they attack people on sight; altough, according to lore, some do just that; but only that they are antagonistic towards humans as a rule which, of course, doesn't ellicit much love.

And while they might have the right to wander; maybe, we're not sure what are the laws for non-citizens traveling within a country's borders in Thedas; the problem is that they take possession of whatever piece of land they decided to set up camp and don't let anyone approach under penalty of death. They have no right!
 

[Xilizhra]

I did not claim that they attack people on sight; altough, according to lore, some do just that; but only that they are antagonistic towards humans as a rule which, of course, doesn't ellicit much love.

And while they might have the right to wander; maybe, we're not sure what are the laws for non-citizens traveling within a country's borders in Thedas; the problem is that they take possession of whatever piece of land they decided to set up camp and don't let anyone approach under penalty of death. They have no right!
 

And you believe they should be subject to human laws they had no input on why, exactly?