It seems like Dalish detest outsiders in general... Didn't a Dalish Warden receive the same abrasive response?
And you believe they should be subject to human laws they had no input on why, exactly?
Why am I subject to laws that I had no part in making?
And you believe they should be subject to human laws they had no input on why, exactly?
Because they are using that nation's resources while they stay there maybe.
The elven lore doesn't vilify all humans, and it certainly hasn't stopped the Dalish from interacting positively with humans who didn't threaten them. You, once again, ignored my post with the quote from Gaider about how some Dalish interact regularly with some humans from Rivain.
A kingdom where the Dalish can worship the Creators, and where the elves won't be killed en mass in purges, certainly has it's benefits.
I've pointed out a rebellion lead by Dalish and non-Dalish elves, which was glossed over to repeatedly vilify the Dalish and an independent Dales to the extent of some suggesting it would cause an apocalypse.
I didn't say humans are evil. Here's an idea: next time you respond to me, you need to actually address what I've said in reality. No more responding to things I've only said in your imagination, okay?
My point again is their religion villifies a group just as the Andrastian one does thus you can not claim one is better than the other in this regard.
And the Elves that don't worship the Creators what's stopping the Dalish from deciding to purge them?
I'll point out that Orlais and Ferelden fighting side by side in a Blight didn't stop one from brutally oppressing the other at a latter time though.
So a post like this:
"That's akin to Sten joining the Andrastian Chantry while wanting to remain true to his Qunari views; the Dalish are about remaining true to their heritage and religion. And I don't see what's moot about pointing out the simple fact that there are Andrastians who have negative views about the Dalish, to the point of either threatening them in an attempt to force them to convert, or wanting to imprison or kill their mages because they aren't controlled by templars."
Isn't you dodging the question of "What if the Dalish decide to oppress non-believers?" by saying how evil you find the Andrastian faith?
Note as well I'm not saying the Dalish will oppress the City Elves I'm saying they are just as capable of it as the Andrastian nations due to their shunning of dissidents like Merrill and because power corrupts.
The City Elves' views can partially be blamed on indoctrination caused by centuries of living under racist humans. What excuse do the Dalish have for viewing City Elves as "little better than their human oppressors."?
And City Elves we have seen treat Dalish Elves with respect. I have yet to see the Dalish do the same(again, taking in Cuty Elves to turn them Dalish doesn't count).
Because they are using that nation's resources while they stay there maybe.
Said nations, if they really care, should sent the bill to Orlais.
And you believe they should be subject to human laws they had no input on why, exactly?
Considering that I don't claim the Dalish are perfect, I don't see any reason to excuse the behavior of some of them. Some Dalish look down on the city elves; some city elves look down on elves who try to live outside of the Alienage, as well as the Dalish. The point is not to condemn all of them for the views held by some of them.
If you're asking in curiosity, I suspect it could be a consequence of the elves submitting to human rule and forsaking their beliefs for a human religion that they blame for the loss of their homeland.
You mean the scene with Marethari in the Kirkwall Alienage? The same Alienage that housed Arianni and Merrill, who befriended others in the Alienage, like Nyssa.
No offense, but your posts tend to place the Dalish on a pedestal in comparison to other factions, so it sometimes comes off as you thinking they are perfect. Just felt that needed to be pointed out as constructive criticism. 
Onto the discussion, as with every faction when some of their members paint that faction in a negative light, it is up to that faction to change my perception of them. Benefit of the doubt only goes so far. That said overall I still like the Dalish, but they do have some glaring flaws they need to fix.
And yes, I try to ask only in genuine curiosity. And your answer still paints the Dalish views of City worse than City views of Dalish in my opinion since they basically hate City Elves out of spite for something they didn't do but their ancestors did.
As much as I love Merrill, the fact she never even thought to help the City Elves until her clan is either slaughtered or she is banished does more against your argument than her befriending a couple elves there helps it.
If they want to live outside the law of human nations then they can't complain about their persecution, they are essentially a hostile population moving through out territories they have no claim to and using what they want to without compensating the landowners.
They are glorified bandits hiding under a banner of "maintaining culture and freedom" and fueled by their own arrogance and self-delusion. If they were humans no one would be defending them.
If they want to live outside the law of human nations then they can't complain about their persecution, they are essentially a hostile population moving through out territories they have no claim to and using what they want to without compensating the landowners.
They are glorified bandits hiding under a banner of "maintaining culture and freedom" and fueled by their own arrogance and self-delusion. If they were humans no one would be defending them.
Actually, they have every claim to them, given that all of Thedas was elven land once.
Actually, they have every claim to them, given that all of Thedas was elven land once.
And all of Europe was once German, before that it was French, before that it was Roman. Your point?
And all of Europe was once German, before that it was French, before that it was Roman. Your point?
And the US was European land.
And the US was European land.
Clearly we should give up all of our land to the Neanderthals, they were here first
And the US was European land.
And before that it was Native American land. And...well, there was nobody before them. 
And before that it was Native American land. And...well, there was nobody before them.
We must all give up our land to the animals, get back on our ships and walk back across the Bering Land Bridge whichever...
Perhaps we should resurrect the dinosaurs, they ruled the world for over 160 million years
We must all give up our land to the animals, get back on our ships and walk back across the Bering Land Bridge whichever...
Perhaps we should resurrect the dinosaurs, they ruled the world for over 160 million years
To save time, let's just give everything back to the universe. Everything is created from star dust, so we must atomize the planet. Only then have all our debts been paid in full. 
And the US was European land.
Pssst. There's a much better example of people taking land from natives involving the Americas.
The morality of who land belongs to especially when genocide comes into play is very unclear. Yes, ancient humans did abominable things to the elves, but should all the property of modern humans be forfeit because of crimes that happened centuries ago?
Pssst. There's a much better example of people taking land from natives involving the Americas.
The morality of who land belongs to especially when genocide comes into play is very unclear. Yes, ancient humans did abominable things to the elves, but should all the property of modern humans be forfeit because of crimes that happened centuries ago?
Apparently it isn't, it belongs to the "oppressed" minority who at one point dwelt on it
No offense, but your posts tend to place the Dalish on a pedestal in comparison to other factions, so it sometimes comes off as you thinking they are perfect. Just felt that needed to be pointed out as constructive criticism.
Onto the discussion, as with every faction when some of their members paint that faction in a negative light, it is up to that faction to change my perception of them. Benefit of the doubt only goes so far. That said overall I still like the Dalish, but they do have some glaring flaws they need to fix.
And yes, I try to ask only in genuine curiosity. And your answer still paints the Dalish views of City worse than City views of Dalish in my opinion since they basically hate City Elves out of spite for something they didn't do but their ancestors did.
As much as I love Merrill, the fact she never even thought to help the City Elves until her clan is either slaughtered or she is banished does more against your argument than her befriending a couple elves there helps it.
While I love the similarities of Native Americans (yo soy indígena) with the Dalish, it's part of the reason I love them, but we all should keep this thread about the Dalish or I'm going to have to get all Anzaldúa up in here.
"This land was Mexican once, was Indian always, and is. And will be again." Gloria Anzaldúa
Apparently it isn't, it belongs to the "oppressed" minority who at one point dwelt on it
Except the indigenous peoples of the Americas still dwell on the land.... we never left... don't put a definitive end where there is none.
Actually, they have every claim to them, given that all of Thedas was elven land once.
Except the indigenous peoples of the Americas still dwell on the land.... we never left... don't put a definitive end where there is none.
To bring this back to the example of the Dalish,
they had an empire that spanned Thedas, it fell, that does not entitle them to try and force the descendant of the conquerors off their land.
Ariane and Finn could have embarked on that quest (perhaps the tome eluded to the impending veil tears that would bring the "change" Morrigan eluded to), while the Hero of Ferelden, Morrigan, their son and their faithful Mabari Hound were beyond the Eluvian. Maybe Ariane's clan became involved as well.
It would be interesting if they showed up in connection to the veil rips, and I've wondered if Ariane's clan might show up in DA:I... I've also wondered if the book Morrigan left had something to do with the Grey Wardens, since the Warden is a Warden and all.
I did not claim that they attack people on sight; altough, according to lore, some do just that; but only that they are antagonistic towards humans as a rule which, of course, doesn't ellicit much love.
And while they might have the right to wander; maybe, we're not sure what are the laws for non-citizens traveling within a country's borders in Thedas; the problem is that they take possession of whatever piece of land they decided to set up camp and don't let anyone approach under penalty of death. They have no right!
Well, again, given their history and their present situation, they have reason. And the Dalish don't claim land, they move around.
And all of Europe was once German, before that it was French, before that it was Roman. Your point?
I don't think Steel will ever care about the injustices faced by elves in the Andrastian humans.
In this example the idea that the Dalish are the rightful owners of Thedas is utterly laughable, ownership of land and the right to rule it are derived from power and the ability to muster support.
The Dalish can go around calling themselves the true heirs of Thedas, but it changes nothing.
The Byzantine Empire marched under the banner of SPQR centuries after Rome fell, and after them the Ottomans claimed to be the true heirs of Rome;s legacy, but since they couldn't enforce it nobody recognized their authority
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