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The Exalted Plains - Orlesian Civil War in the Dales (Masked Empire Spoilers Within)


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#476
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That the elves have every right to take issue with their persecution in the Andrastian kingdoms, despite your insistence otherwise because the humans are the current landowners of those regions.

They can take issue with it, they can rise up in protest, they can start lopping off heads, it doesn't mean that they are the rightful owners



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Yea Steel check your human privilege 



#478
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Perhaps you think that because of who I tend to argue with, given the extremity of their arguments against the Dalish veering into cartoony levels of villainy. Even this very thread contemplated an independent elven state leading to the apocalypse.

I've pointed out the horrendous actions committed by Zathrian, Marethari, and others, but I don't think it's fair to paint all the Dalish with the same brush.


This is where you and I disagree, because I don't think the Dalish are the same. They all differ, so I don't see why the flaws with some are issues with the Dalish as a whole. Even Sarel is quite different than Elora.


So now you want to argue the severity of the negative views held by some Dalish in contrast to some city elves? No thanks. I'm not going to whitewash either one. Both attitudes are simply wrong. I'm able to understand the mindset of both, but I refuse to excuse either one.


Merrill pursued technology to help all the elves; with that line, she's encouraged to help the Alienage elves in the same way Wynne wants a mage protagonist to return to the Circle and help the mages.

I don't consider pointing out the Dalish have just as much potential to commit atrocities as humans once they get any considerable power as vilifying them.



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Yea Steel check your human privilege 

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In this example the idea that the Dalish are the rightful owners of Thedas is utterly laughable, ownership of land and the right to rule it are derived from power and the ability to muster support.


The discussion with Xil was over the elves taking umbrage over the discrimination they faced. Her line was in retort to how you said the humans being landowners mattered more, and that they shouldn't complain about their discrimination.

The Dalish can go around calling themselves the true heirs of Thedas, but it changes nothing.


You might be thinking of Genitivi, who wrote that humans were the "true masters of Thedas", which came across as racist when addressing a continent that houses elves, dwarves, and others.

The Byzantine Empire marched under the banner of SPQR centuries after Rome fell, and after them the Ottomans claimed to be the true heirs of Rome;s legacy, but since they couldn't enforce it nobody recognized their authority


Are we talking about the Orlesian control over the Dales? If they lose control over the Dales like they lost control over Ferelden, I don't see the problem.

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"Actually, they have every claim to them, given that all of Thedas was elven land once."

 

That doesn't look like taking umbrage, that look like a flat out claim that elves are the rightful owners



#482
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If they want to live outside the law of human nations then they can't complain about their persecution, they are essentially a hostile population moving through out territories they have no claim to and using what they want to without compensating the landowners.

They are glorified bandits hiding under a banner of "maintaining culture and freedom" and fueled by their own arrogance and self-delusion. If they were humans no one would be defending them.


They can take issue with it, they can rise up in protest, they can start lopping off heads, it doesn't mean that they are the rightful owners


That contradicts what you previously said, which was what Xil was addressing when you and the usual suspects blatantly ignored what she was addressing.

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That contradicts what you previously said, which was what Xil was addressing when you and the usual suspects blatantly ignored what she was addressing.

 

No it doesn't.

 

I said that the Dalish don't have rights to the land, they are brigands. and rising up in protest won't change that



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I imagine it will at least be an option to have the mirrors blow up in the elves' faces, just like cursing a village or being an overprotective mother instead of a clan leader have in the last two games.


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#485
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I imagine it will at least be an option to have the mirrors blow up in the elves' faces, just like cursing a village or being an overprotective mother instead of a clan leader have in the last two games.

 

Dalish Leader: We need to protect these precious artifacts of our people!

 

*Something comes through the mirrors and slaughters all the Dalish*

 

Inquisitor: Alright show of hands, who saw that coming?

 

*Everyone raises their hands*

 

NPC: I know most of these clans don't have regular contact and all that... but they have to know that nothing works out for them by now.


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#486
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I imagine it will at least be an option to have the mirrors blow up in the elves' faces, just like cursing a village or being an overprotective mother instead of a clan leader have in the last two games.

I'll prepare the bomb shelters now.



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Reading Masked Empire now. What freaking idiots these Dalish are.

 

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#488
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Reading Masked Empire now. What freaking idiots these Dalish are.

 

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Because that worked so well the last time.



#489
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Reading Masked Empire now. What freaking idiots these Dalish are.

 

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Morons.



#490
Hellion Rex

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Because that worked so well the last time.

Hana, it's SO MUCH WORSE THAN THAT.

 

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#491
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Hana, it's SO MUCH WORSE THAN THAT.

 

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Seriously?

 

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^most sever facepalm/headdesk gif I could find.


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#492
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Hina

 

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#493
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Yup, I'm burning the Dales to the ground. This dumb*** move sealed it for me.



#494
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Hana, it's SO MUCH WORSE THAN THAT.

 

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Elfquisitor: "Great another idiot's mess I'll have to clean up on top of the veil tears thanks guys thanks a lot". <_<

 

*Ryn Tabris and Marian Hawke pat her back in sympathy*

 

Both: "We know the feeling, we know it well buddy." :(



#495
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Yup, I'm burning the Dales to the ground. This dumb*** move sealed it for me.

 

Oh Dalish you are sooo consistently dumb.

 

I don't really have anything against Elves in DA but maybe it would be best if the Dalish just went away, they don't do anything but screw up and give SJWs something other than mages to support.



#496
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On top of that

Spoiler

 

 

Thanks Dalish!



#497
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Oh Dalish you are sooo consistently dumb.

 

I don't really have anything against Elves in DA but maybe it would be best if the Dalish just went away, they don't do anything but screw up and give SJWs something other than mages to support.

I'm a SJW and mage supporter, and even I still wanna burn the Dales to ground after hearing this. That should tell you how bad this is.



#498
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More likely a subquest boss.



#499
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More likely a subquest boss.

Doubt it. This guy was throwing around some serious power.



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I'm a SJW and mage supporter, and even I still wanna burn the Dales to ground after hearing this. That should tell you how bad this is.

 

Now you know the Dalish messed up now lol :P