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[Han Shot First]

Spoiler

Felassan makes a point of comparing Orlesian society with how Arlathan was like, back in the day. “It was not the Golden City. It was not the peaceful afterlife of this Maker the humans have made for themselves. Take the richest district of Val Royeaux, and tell me how many fools are scheming against each other at every ball?"

 

So the Spaniard and Aztec comparison I made earlier in this thread wasn't too far off from the mark.

 

Good! The noble victim trope would be far less interesting, IMO.

[Ryzaki]

To be fair though Ryz, it is only this one dumb clan at fault. Felassan says his own clan would never be this dumb.

 

Spoiler

I was more referring to the whole making other elves their slaves mixed with the dalish sense of being the "true" elves. They took that mentality with them all that way. And well...we have plenty of evidence of clans being stupid. Though I guess that clan was a clan full of Merrill's without anyone to tell her this is a terrible idea.

[renfrees]

To be fair though Ryz, it is only this one dumb clan at fault. Felassan says his own clan would never be this dumb.

Paraphrasing, it doesn't take all clans to cause this. Only the weak ones.

[MisterJB]

Spoiler

What Felassan says, and I'm really loving this guy, is that first and foremost, Arlathan was an empire. As to who they indentured and enslaved, it was other elves.

Oh, now you're just telling me what I want to hear.

[Hellion Rex]

Oh, now you're just telling me what I want to hear.

Spoiler

This is Felassan to Briala: "We were everyone. There were no humans, no dwarves, no race but the elves . Every atrocity you seek to avenge for your broken people in their alienages, elven nobles committed upon elven servants.”

[Steelcan]

So who is this Felassan guy?

[LobselVith8]

If Orlais were ruled by mages, you'd be hardly pressed to expect her support the Dales, i imagine.

I think you greatly underestimate Xil.

[Steelcan]

I think you greatly underestimate Xil.

I have never underestimated her mental gymnastics, they put Auld Wulf to shame

[Ryzaki]

I think you greatly underestimate Xil.

 

I don't know. She has plenty of Alas poor ~insert villian here~ threads.

[Hellion Rex]

So who is this Felassan guy?

Spoiler

Dalish mage who has been "helping" Briala. He is also a Dreamer. He knew exactly who Imshael was and remained unaffected by the demon's powers, even though everyone was on the ground, unable to move. At the end of the novel, he travels to meet his boss in the Fade, but is then killed by the entity, who, based on Felassan's last words, could possibly be Fen'Harel.

[LobselVith8]

Thanks .
I'm still playing a dalish in my first playthrough, and I really hope that if there's a dalish plot there'll be dalish with different mindset to the ones in TME.
If not, I suspect it'll be a similar playthrough in mood as my Colonist/Sole Survivor Shep.

I don't see why one clan - who engaged in behavior that contradicted the ethos of the Dalish and their prohibition against engaging with spirits - would represent the myriad of other Dalish clans out there.

[MisterJB]

Spoiler

This is Felassan to Briala: "We were everyone. There were no humans, no dwarves, no race but the elves . Every atrocity you seek to avenge for your broken people in their alienages, elven nobles committed upon elven servants.”

And the Dalish used to be the nobility.

 

[Ryzaki]

If the Dalish turn out to be as fake as the Asari I will lol. Hard.

[Hellion Rex]

I don't see why one clan - who engaged in behavior that contradicted the ethos of the Dalish and their prohibition against engaging with spirits - would represent the myriad of other Dalish clans out there.

It would certainly make it harder to deal with Celene or Gaspard, since they both witnessed what this one clan did. So in that regard, an elven protagonist might have a more difficult time.

[Steelcan]

I don't see why one clan - who engaged in behavior that contradicted the ethos of the Dalish and their prohibition against engaging with spirits - would represent the myriad of other Dalish clans out there.

And Marethari was just one keeper, as was Zathrian.

 

There's an awful lot of "oh its just this one" going on here

[Steelcan]

If the Dalish turn out to be as fake as the Asari I will lol. Hard.

 

You realize how happy this would make me?

[LobselVith8]

I have never underestimated her mental gymnastics, they put Auld Wulf to shame

Because Xil formulates opinions and views you disagrees with.

[LobselVith8]

It would certainly make it harder to deal with Celene or Gaspard, since they both witnessed what this one clan did. So in that regard, an elven protagonist might have a more difficult time.

I could care less about Gaspard and Celene, who both engaged in plenty of deplorable behavior themselves as part of the Game.

[Steelcan]

Because Xil formulates opinions and views you disagrees with.

opinions that seem, at least to me, contradictory and the only point of consistency is that she is fine with sticking it to humans

[The Elder King]

I don't see why one clan - who engaged in behavior that contradicted the ethos of the Dalish and their prohibition against engaging with spirits - would represent the myriad of other Dalish clans out there.

I know that, but we don't know if the dalish in DAI will be more similar to the good ones or the bad ones.
I'm not saying that every dalish are bad. I'm saying that we don't know how the DAI dalish will be.

[Ryzaki]

You realize how happy this would make me?

 

XD I admit the thought causes me glee as well.

 

*Still bitter*

[Steelcan]

I could care less about Gaspard and Celene, who both engaged in plenty of deplorable behavior themselves as part of the Game.

 

Yet you are probably going to have to play ball with one of them

[Hellion Rex]

I could care less about Gaspard and Celene, who both engaged in plenty of deplorable behavior themselves as part of the Game.

Regardless, Lob, you're gonna have to deal with both since we will traipsing along through Orlesian territory, which those two are currently tearing apart in a Civil War.

[Hellion Rex]

Yet you are probably going to have to play ball with one of them

I never thought I might say this, but I'm tempted to possibly play ball with Gaspard. The man has one hell of a sense of honor, and he was a total badass.

[azarhal]

Spoiler

This is Felassan to Briala: "We were everyone. There were no humans, no dwarves, no race but the elves . Every atrocity you seek to avenge for your broken people in their alienages, elven nobles committed upon elven servants.”

 

My crackpot theory that dwarves and humans are just the result(s) of a bloodmagic experiment gone bad (on elves) is starting to sound a bit less crackpot now... How interesting.