The Dalish were already grey. It's more about Arlathan being a crappy feudal state like everybody else in Thedas, not some kind of elven paradise. Like Tevinter is not a mage paradise.
For the amount of slavers throughout the Thedas (including mage slaves) only delusional idealists like Anders could believe in that kind of Tevinter.
One thing that I've noticed is that the Dalish refer to the city elves as flat-ears for accepting the human culture while the ce use that term to refer to elf-blooded humans. There's probably some irony or a reflection in the sad condition that is humankind (or elvenkind in this case) but I really don't feel like doing it myself.
For the amount of slavers throughout the Thedas (including mage slaves) only delusional idealists like Anders could believe in that kind of Tevinter.
True. But it seems oppresed groups like the elves or the mages (or their supporters) believe that if they had the opportunity to build their own nation, they would do better. Then you point out that Tevinter is already a mage nation, and one of the worst places in Thedas, and now Arlathan is said to be the elven version of Orlais. So no, just being an oppresed minority doesn't mean you would do better. Mind you, it also doesn't mean that they would do worse.
Definitely Gaspard.
Good myn that Gaspard.
Showing those filthy dog lords what's what!
True. But it seems oppresed groups like the elves or the mages (or their supporters) believe that if they had the opportunity to build their own nation, they would do better. Then you point out that Tevinter is already a mage nation, and one of the worst places in Thedas, and now Arlathan is said to be the elven version of Orlais. So no, just being an oppresed minority doesn't mean you would do better. Mind you, it also doesn't mean that they would do worse.
Thank You!
So about the Celen vs Gaspard, which one supports reconquering Fereldan?
Celene doesn't strike me as an expansionist type of ruler.
True. But it seems oppresed groups like the elves or the mages (or their supporters) believe that if they had the opportunity to build their own nation, they would do better. Then you point out that Tevinter is already a mage nation, and one of the worst places in Thedas, and now Arlathan is said to be the elven version of Orlais. So no, just being an oppresed minority doesn't mean you would do better. Mind you, it also doesn't mean that they would do worse.
There is no point in trying if you don't believe you can do better. "It won't happen to me" behavior is the key to repeated downfalls.
Definitely Gaspard.
Celene's plan to marry Cailan would inevitably lead to Orlais dominating the weaker and smaller Ferelden. It was expansionism; just of a more peaceful sort.
Hmm, while besides his distasteful aims towards Ferelden it's good to know we have legitimate reasons for possibly siding with Gaspard instead of him just being the evil option.
Celene's plan to marry Cailan would inevitably lead to Orlais dominating the weaker and smaller Ferelden. It was expansionism; just of a more peaceful sort.
Celene's plan to marry Cailan would inevitably lead to Orlais dominating the weaker and smaller Ferelden. It was expansionism; just of a more peaceful sort.
I should have clarified - by force. Thanks for correction though.
Celene's plan to marry Cailan would inevitably lead to Orlais dominating the weaker and smaller Ferelden. It was expansionism; just of a more peaceful sort.
Why do they want Fereldan so badly. Is the farmland that good? (I haven't read any of the side materials XD)
my italian is a little off, what about balognia?
I don't think Fergus would act as Cailan.Just my 2g, but from what I know they're both interested in owning Ferelden. Gaspard by force of arms, Celene by pregnancy. Sadly, she'd have to wait until Fergus takes the throne before she gets another shot.
Either my Ferelden Inquisitor is going to have to convince him to not do that if she sides with him or she's siding with Celen
Side with neither. All fealty will be paid to the Inquisition.
My crackpot theory that dwarves and humans are just the result(s) of a bloodmagic experiment gone bad (on elves) is starting to sound a bit less crackpot now... How interesting.
It seems more likely that he's referring to Thedas before the others arrived (or in the case of dwarves, before they surfaced), but that is a funny choice of words. Hmm...
@TK514
Why would Fergus take the throne?
Why do they want Fereldan so badly. Is the farmland that good? (I haven't read any of the side materials XD)
Orlais' natural ways of expansion point to the Anderfels (a blighted place), the Tevinter Imperium (still too strong), Nevarra (Orlais lost the last war against the Nevarrans) and Ferelden. Ferelden has a lot of land and in theory is weaker than Tevinter or Nevarra, so it makes sense for the Orlesians to be interested in conquering it. If they hadn't done it before it's probably because they took part in every exalted march to date.
Celene's peaceful solution wasn't a bad idea.
Ah. But the question then becomes who snubbed who first.
Are we pulling the 'chicken or the egg' scenario here? What we know is that there are some people among the Dalish nor the City Elves who look down on others, which is why it's disingenuous to act as though it's only some among the Dalish who do this.
The Dalish treated Briala like crap.
That has nothing to do with Ryzaki's question.
Orlais' natural ways of expansion point to the Anderfels (a blighted place), the Tevinter Imperium (still too strong), Nevarra (Orlais lost the last war against the Nevarrans) and Ferelden. Ferelden has a lot of land and in theory is weaker than Tevinter or Nevarra, so it makes sense for the Orlesians to be interested in conquering it. If they hadn't done it before it's probably because they took part in every exalted march to date.
Oooh.
Man I hope Orlais gets its ass kicked. (And Fereldan plays a part in doing so).
Are we pulling the 'chicken or the egg' scenario here? What we know is that there are some people among the Dalish nor the City Elves who look down on others, which is why it's disingenuous to act as though it's only some among the Dalish who do this.
That has nothing to do with Ryzaki's question.
Did I ever say only the Dalish did it? Pretty sure I didn't. I'm quite aware of the CE flaws (they have a severe case of not letting one crab out of the bucket gotta drag em down with the rest of em) I was just amused by the Dalish blindness of their own smug superiority (Little different from their shelmen masters) when the culture they hold on such a pedestal was much the same.
I believe in redemption. Why else would anyone have Sten or Zevran on their team?
And yet you want to annihilate Orlais instead of letting it redeem itself.
I cant wait until we get an inevitable true scottsman situation where the dalish turn on one another over this new revelation and who truly does represents whats best for the free folk elves.
So much blood shed, it'll be beautiful to show thst not every dalish is alike.
Because of what was said about Arlathan? I don't see grown men and women turning on one another over that. I also don't see the Dalish forsaking their religion, their heritage, or their culture because of Arlathan, any more than Anders forsook his religious faith in Andraste and the Maker when he came to oppose the Chantry controlled Circles.
Orlais' natural ways of expansion point to the Anderfels (a blighted place), the Tevinter Imperium (still too strong), Nevarra (Orlais lost the last war against the Nevarrans) and Ferelden. Ferelden has a lot of land and in theory is weaker than Tevinter or Nevarra, so it makes sense for the Orlesians to be interested in conquering it. If they hadn't done it before it's probably because they took part in every exalted march to date.
Celene's peaceful solution wasn't a bad idea.
And Celene wanted to absorb Ferelden to have more man power against Nevarra (which showed expansionist tendencies in the last 100 years into Orlais).
Because of what was said about Arlathan? I don't see grown men and women turning on one another over that. I also don't see the Dalish forsaking their religion, their heritage, or their culture because of Arlathan, any more than Anders forsook his religious faith in Andraste and the Maker when he came to oppose the Chantry controlled Circles.
Anders didn't claim to "preserve the old ways" though. Heh, in the new light its rather funny, especially to CEs.
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