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[Hanako Ikezawa]

lmao at how you're so excited about this.

 

Damnit. I REALLY want a CE Inq now >_>

Me too.

[LobselVith8]

BS. The characters' opinions are subject to fallacy and bias as the circle system is incomparable to Orlesian, Antivan and Tevinter slavery while being incompatible to it's definition.

 

So it's incompatible when it comes to an organization you like despite how multiple characters perceive the Chantry controlled Circles, but it's perfectly fine when it comes to a group you deplore because one single character said so? Just checking.

 

Plus lol @ demeaning. You're just mad that the Dalish put the elves of Arlathan on a pedestal while they weren't immaculate Snow White snowflakes and are just as backwards as the upper echelons of Orlesian and Tevinter society.

 

Not really, considering how my statements focused on the Dalish (to the extent of pointing out that they are flawed and different), and not on Arlathan. I find the hypocrisy more troubling, since no one says the Andrastians should forsake everything they believe in because of the flaws with the Chantry of Andraste, while multiple people act as though the Dalish should forsake everything they believe in if it turns out that Arlathan engaged in some deplorable behavior.

[Ryzaki]

Anders didn't claim to "preserve the old ways" though. Heh, in the new light its rather funny, especially to CEs.

 

We remember even as you flat ears forget...

 

Seems like forgetting is probably for the best. XD

[Mistic]

Not really, considering how my statements focused on the Dalish (to the extent of pointing out that they are flawed and different), and not on Arlathan. I find the hypocrisy more troubling, since no one says the Andrastians should forsake everything they believe in because of the flaws with the Chantry of Andraste, while multiple people act as though the Dalish should forsake everything they believe in if it turns out that Arlathan engaged in some deplorable behavior.

 

I agree. It's not as if Chantry scholars ignore that Andraste came with a barbarian army at her side. In fact, more than Arlatahn, something bad about the original Dales would hurt them more.

 

However, we may encounter more Dalish like Felassan who think that, instead of obsessing about old lore and keeping traditions of a past that maybe wasn't as glorious as some want it to be, it would be a good idea to build something new for the future. Of course, what should that be and how should be done would be a matter of heated discussion. Hence the large gathering of the clans (wishful thinking).

[AresKeith]

Me too.

 

lmao at how you're so excited about this.

 

Damnit. I REALLY want a CE Inq now >_>

 

This gives us more reason to play as one 

[Mr.House]

Hana, it's SO MUCH WORSE THAN THAT.

 

Spoiler

They contacted one of the Forbidden Ones! Remember Gaxkang and Xebenkeck? These idiots summoned up Imshael.

Wow. Just wow.  always said the dalish where complete idiots, but this? I just. What the hell, are the dalish like on raw lyruim or something?

[LobselVith8]

Did I ever say only the Dalish did it? Pretty sure I didn't. I'm quite aware of the CE flaws (they have a severe case of not letting one crab out of the bucket gotta drag em down with the rest of em) I was just amused by the Dalish blindness of their own smug superiority (Little different from their shelmen masters) when the culture they hold on such a pedestal was much the same.

 

What bothers me is how you act as though the behavior of some of the Dalish is representative of them all. We've met a plenty of Dalish who don't behave in the same way that Sarel did, and his behavior was the result of the recent loss of his wife to werewolves.

 

Anders didn't claim to "preserve the old ways" though. Heh, in the new light its rather funny, especially to CEs.

 

Except the Dalish freely admit their knowledge has it's limits, as Merrill points out when she addresses they don't know who summoned Audacity in the war between the Arlathan elves and the Tevinter mages at Sundermount, or their lack of knowledge about the war between the Creators and the Forgotten Ones. I don't see the Dalish emulating slavery if it turns out that Arlathan society engaged in this behavior, given what happened in the Imperium.

[Steelcan]

And yet you want to annihilate Orlais instead of letting it redeem itself.  

Don't try and apply logic to her posts

[renfrees]

We remember even as you flat ears forget...

 

Seems like forgetting is probably for the best. XD

They say amnesia is a friend to the tormented   

[LobselVith8]

I agree. It's not as if Chantry scholars ignore that Andraste came with a barbarian army at her side. In fact, more than Arlatahn, something bad about the original Dales would hurt them more.

 

However, we may encounter more Dalish like Felassan who think that, instead of obsessing about old lore and keeping traditions of a past that maybe wasn't as glorious as some want it to be, it would be a good idea to build something new for the future. Of course, what should that be and how should be done would be a matter of heated discussion. Hence the large gathering of the clans (wishful thinking).

 

I don't see why they can't do both; it's not as though modern society halts pursuit of the knowledge about our own ancestors, and uncovering the secrets of the past. I think building a future would be more plausible if the Dalish didn't have to be nomadic as a matter of survival. An independent kingdom might help them accomplish that - building a new future, while not forgetting the lessons of the past.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

To my understanding of it the Eluvians act in a familiar fashion to the Webway gates the Eldar employ in Warhammer 40K. The Webway is described as being in both the physical universe(Thedas) and the Warp(The Fade/The Beyond), and yet in neither. These gates acted as the main method of transportation as it was safe(avoiding the demon infested warp/familiar much) and was instantaneous. However lack of maintenance or neglect would cause the Warp to spill into the Webway allowing demons to ravage the physical world. As mentioned before ad nausesum, the main factor in the elven defeat in the war against Tevinter was that the elves fled. But where to? My hypothesis is that a small group of elves fled Aralathan via the Eluvians and then sealed them off so the humans could not follow them. Without human contact these elves would retain their immortality and therefore could still be alive in some unknown region of reality. Afterall did not Morrigan say that the Eluvian was a portal to a place 'beyond this world and beyond the Fade'? If you are struggling I suggest to look up the Warhammer 40K wiki if you are interested. Finally (I promise) perhaps this 'place' the elves left to was the Black City. Consider this; The Black City is visible in the Fade, but no one has ever reached it. That is because the only method is via Eluvian. The ancient Magisters who forced their way in via Blood Magic would have used an unregulated and risky form of transport and as a side effect the Darkspawn Taint was created. As to the corrupted Eluvian in the Dalish Origin and Audicity in DA2 lack of maintence would have resulted in the mirrors being corrupted or exploited as the only other beings with the knowledge to use them is in another realm of existence. As the Magisters returned to Thedas perhaps the Taint remained in the Eluvian routes and corrupted those mirrors not using them. As for Audacity, a demon is essentially immortal and they spend a great deal of time looking at the material world. They would know how to make them, and more importantly how to exploit them. This is only a theory and I apologise if anyone else has come up with it. Any other ones? 

Heck of a first post. Welcome to the forum.

[LobselVith8]

And yet you want to annihilate Orlais instead of letting it redeem itself.  

 

Because Xil would prefer to free the elves when the opportunity arises, as opposed to clicking on her ruby slippers and wishing for Orlais to change after a millennia of remaining an expansionist empire. I'm not seeing the issue here.

[dragondreamer]

Actually, having all this old elven lore come out makes for a more interesting time for a Dalish Inquisitor, imo.  I don't think a City Elf really cares as much about what the ancient elves were like or looking for truth. 

[Ryzaki]

What bothers me is how you act as though the behavior of some of the Dalish is representative of them all. We've met a plenty of Dalish who don't behave in the same way that Sarel did, and his behavior was the result of the recent loss of his wife to werewolves.

 

 

Except the Dalish freely admit their knowledge has it's limits, as Merrill points out when she addresses they don't know who summoned Audacity in the war between the Arlathan elves and the Tevinter mages at Sundermount, or their lack of knowledge about the war between the Creators and the Forgotten Ones. I don't see the Dalish emulating slavery if it turns out that Arlathan society engaged in this behavior, given what happened in the Imperium.

 

You don't have to be as blatant to show signs of such beliefs. It's ingrained in their culture. Are they all like that? Of course not and I never said so.

[Shadow Fox]

This gives us more reason to play as one 

*pats*

 

Maybe we can be a Dalish who left the culture because they disagreed with it?

[Ryzaki]

They say amnesia is a friend to the tormented 

 

Okay this got me XD

[Ryzaki]

*pats*

 

Maybe we can be a Dalish who left the culture because they disagreed with it?

 

This *might* tempt me into playing a dalish. If he/she is going his/her separate ways from the clan due to irreconcilable differences. Maybe he/she is tired of them constantly going about the past.

[renfrees]

Because Xil would prefer to free the elves when the opportunity arises, as opposed to clicking on her ruby slippers and wishing for Orlais to change after a millennia of remaining an expansionist empire. I'm not seeing the issue here.

But... but the redemption? If redemption is possible for evil twisted slaver biatch Hadriana, why it isn't possible for Orlais? Oh mind you, Orana and her family were elven, not Dalish though. Didn't bother her one bit.

[AresKeith]

Because Xil would prefer to free the elves when the opportunity arises, as opposed to clicking on her ruby slippers and wishing for Orlais to change after a millennia of remaining an expansionist empire. I'm not seeing the issue here.

 

Ummm the issue is that it's an obvious double standard and being a hypocrite 

[AresKeith]

*pats*

 

Maybe we can be a Dalish who left the culture because they disagreed with it?

 

Almost like my Dalish Warden

[Steelcan]

Because Xil would prefer to free the elves when the opportunity arises, as opposed to clicking on her ruby slippers and wishing for Orlais to change after a millennia of remaining an expansionist empire. I'm not seeing the issue here.

 

At the expense of innocent humans

[LobselVith8]

Oh my god.

 

So the Dalish weren't innocent victims after all.

 

My prayers are answered.

 

That doesn't make any sense. The behavior of one single clan doesn't really prove anything about the inception of the war that lead to the fall of the Dales, or anything like that. We've known that there have been bad people among the Dalish since Zathrian.

[Ryzaki]

Almost like my Dalish Warden

 

I think I managed to finish the game as dalish once.

 

Easily my least favorite playthrough. Disconnected from pretty much everything, dullsville and it really felt meh.

[Steelcan]

That doesn't make any sense. The behavior of one single clan doesn't really prove anything about the inception of the war that lead to the fall of the Dales, or anything like that. We've known that there have been bad people among the Dalish since Zathrian.

There's that "its just this one clan" again

 

How many Dalish clans do we need to see blow themselves up before you realize something is inherently flawed in their actions

[LobselVith8]

But... but the redemption? If redemption is possible for evil twisted slaver biatch Hadriana, why it isn't possible for Orlais? Oh mind you, Orana and her family were elven, not Dalish though. Didn't bother her one bit.

 

Maybe Xil isn't willing to sacrifice the elves for the vain hope that Orlais will change? That isn't hypocrisy.

 

At the expense of innocent humans

 

I see nothing innocent about Gaspard or Celene, or anyone else involved in the Game. This vilification of Xil is getting to ridiculous levels now.