I see nothing innocent about Gaspard or Celene, or anyone else involved in the Game. This vilification of Xil is getting to ridiculous levels now.
And the elves are that and worse, anyone who claims to be on the side of justice and has such blatant hypocrisy, amongst numerous other issues, is going to get called out on
There's that "its just this one clan" again
How many Dalish clans do we need to see blow themselves up before you realize something is inherently flawed in their actions
Probably not seeing clans who don't blow themselves up because it doesn't make for an interesting story.
I don't see what's funny about their respect for magic, their faith in the Creators, or their adherence to their culture.
It's funny in the sense of irony. How their 'utopia' was just as bad as what the humans did to them.
Maybe Xil isn't willing to sacrifice the elves for the vain hope that Orlais will change? That isn't hypocrisy.
But she is perfectly willing to sacrifice them for the vain hope that Hadriana will change. That isn't hypocrisy?
There's that "its just this one clan" again
How many Dalish clans do we need to see blow themselves up before you realize something is inherently flawed in their actions
The fact that Gaider has addressed that the Dalish clans are all different:
The Dalish have the Gathering every 10 years, where all the clans are supposed to gather and the Keepers of each clan share their knowledge with each other. This is also where Dalish-wide issues are dealt with, and ideally the Gathering is supposed to keep the Dalish roughly in step with each other. In practice, though, you are correct. Each clan tends to go the way that its Keeper dictates. Some clans are very militant, almost xenophobic. Some are little more than bandits in whatever wilderness they've staked out (this is often the case in Tevinter, for instance). A few are quite benevolent and live in peace with nearby humans -- the Rivaini city of Llomerryn is known to have a semi-permanent Dalish encampment on its outskirts, and trade with the elves for their crafts is encouraged.
As he pointed out, the clans can vary quite a bit, in good and bad ways, so I don't have the inclination to condemn them all because of the actions of one single clan from "The Masked Empire".
you're awful lmfao
but honestly, I am shocked to hear that considering how sanctimonious they can be
to be completely fair however, that was at least 1000, to possibly multiple thousands of years ago. Whatever elves did that, their practice and the ones who did that are long since dead.
That doesn't make any sense. The behavior of one single clan doesn't really prove anything about the inception of the war that lead to the fall of the Dales, or anything like that. We've known that there have been bad people among the Dalish since Zathrian.
How doesn't it?I'm happy the Dalish weren't just noble victims of the evil humans and were just as flawed as the rest of Thedas.
But she is perfectly willing to sacrifice them for the vain hope that Hadriana will change. That isn't hypocrisy?
Yeah I just...nothing at all suggests Hadriana feels even a smidge of remorse for her actions. Not a smidge. A damn sliver. Not even the smallest spec of cosmic dust is equal to the remorse she shows.
Now I thought Fenris could've at least waited to see if her claims checked out then killed her but she signed her death warrant the second she tried to get Fenris back. A death she earned tenfold.
Has their been any other story where elves are villains?
Dark Elves, yes. Regular elves, no.
The fact that Gaider has addressed that the Dalish clans are all different:
As he pointed out, the clans can vary quite a bit, in good and bad ways, so I don't have the inclination to condemn them all because of the actions of one single clan from "The Masked Empire".
And nobody is condemning them all (for now), but for now the clans we've seen so far isn't painting that picture good
And the elves are that and worse, anyone who claims to be on the side of justice and has such blatant hypocrisy, amongst numerous other issues, is going to get called out on
Giving the elves the opportunity to be their own masters, and emancipate them from a system that limits their role to servants, isn't "blatant hypocrisy".
The fact that Gaider has addressed that the Dalish clans are all different:
As he pointed out, the clans can vary quite a bit, in good and bad ways, so I don't have the inclination to condemn them all because of the actions of one single clan from "The Masked Empire".
The thing about Gaider's quote is in it he says a few are benevolent. A few, as in not many. The minority.
How doesn't it?I'm happy the Dalish weren't just noble victims of the evil humans and were just as flawed as the rest of Thedas.
No one has said the Dalish were perfect, and the incident in "The Masked Empire" doesn't really provide clarification about the inception of the Exalted March and fall of the Dales, so it doesn't really dismiss the reasons why some Dalish take issue with the loss of their homeland - the Dales.
How doesn't it?I'm happy the Dalish weren't just noble victims of the evil humans and were just as flawed as the rest of Thedas.
I don't think anyone's said the Dalish aren't just like everyone else. Or the ancient elves, for that matter. But acting like *anything* justifies what was done to them is rather... well, unpleasant. I've seen a comparison to what the Spanish did to the Aztecs a few times, and being descended from the Mexica myself, it really turns my stomach.
Giving the elves the opportunity to be their own masters, and emancipate them from a system that limits their role to servants, isn't "blatant hypocrisy".
When its average people who have played no part in this system are the ones paying for its hypocrisy
The thing about Gaider's quote is in it he says a few are benevolent. A few, as in not many. The minority.
That line addresses the Dalish who interact with the humans in Rivain who follow the Natural Order, and have a semi-permanent settlement near their city, as opposed to the ones who are nomadic in Andrastian lands. I don't get why some of you keep trying to vilify the entirety of the Dalish.
That line addresses the Dalish who interact with the humans in Rivain who follow the Natural Order, and have a semi-permanent settlement near their city, as opposed to the ones who are nomadic in Andrastian lands. I don't get why some of you keep trying to vilify the entirety of the Dalish.
Perhaps we'd stop vilifying them if they gave us a reason to stop.
you're awful lmfao
but honestly, I am shocked to hear that considering how sanctimonious they can be
Yes, the Chantry of Andraste can be rather sanctimonious. 
That line addresses the Dalish who interact with the humans in Rivain who follow the Natural Order, and have a semi-permanent settlement near their city, as opposed to the ones who are nomadic in Andrastian lands. I don't get why some of you keep trying to vilify the entirety of the Dalish.
I am not trying to vilify all of them. However I am acknowledging that the majority of them are not as white in morality as you think they are.
I don't think anyone's said the Dalish aren't just like everyone else. Or the ancient elves, for that matter. But acting like *anything* justifies what was done to them is rather... well, unpleasant. I've seen a comparison to what the Spanish did to the Aztecs a few times, and being descended from the Mexica myself, it really turns my stomach.
I don't think many truly justify what was done to them, but them acting as ignorant bigots (with a few exceptions)... I'm not surprised people caught on opportunity to knock them off their high horse.
When its average people who have played no part in this system are the ones paying for its hypocrisy
I didn't realize a kingdom of free elves was so abhorrent to you.
Perhaps we'd stop vilifying them if they gave us a reason to stop.
Refusing to bend knee to humanity really bothers you, doesn't it?
That line addresses the Dalish who interact with the humans in Rivain who follow the Natural Order, and have a semi-permanent settlement near their city, as opposed to the ones who are nomadic in Andrastian lands. I don't get why some of you keep trying to vilify the entirety of the Dalish.
Fail to see how she's trying to vilify all of them when she said the opposite
I am not trying to vilify all of them. However I am acknowledging that the majority of them are not as white in morality as you think they are.
Acknowledging that the clans are all varied and different from one another isn't the same as claiming they are "white" in morality.
Fail to see how she's trying to vilify all of them when she said the opposite
Thank you. I was saying that even though the word few is used, they aren't all villains.
Acknowledging that the clans are all varied and different from one another isn't the same as claiming they are "white" in morality.
No, but dismissing now three cases of them being as 'isolated incidents' while even your quote from Gaider says that more are malevolent than benevolent is.
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