I didn't realize a kingdom of free elves was so abhorrent to you.
Refusing to bend knee to humanity really bothers you, doesn't it?
When said Kingdom is only going to result in war and conflict, and will most likely end up the same way as Arlathan or the Dales, why would I support that?
It bothers me when glorified brigands tramp around demanding they be paid respect when they have no reason to be given any
Because of what was said about Arlathan? I don't see grown men and women turning on one another over that. I also don't see the Dalish forsaking their religion, their heritage, or their culture because of Arlathan, any more than Anders forsook his religious faith in Andraste and the Maker when he came to oppose the Chantry controlled Circles.
People have gone to war over stupider things, lob. See, for example, the War for Jenkin's ear, and the The Battle of Karansebes as prime examples.
Coupled with the fact that this is a group of clans who already don't get along, and throw in the revelation that they have been worshiping an ideology of falsehood as vile as the humans they look down upon? You'll have neo-dalish looking to separate the past from present and form a new independent life from humans without returning to their old ways, and extremist dalish looking to emulate the dalish of the past at all costs, going at eachothers throats in no time.
I wonder if Lobs are planning Exalted March on Edmonton right now. Poor fellow, but he had to know how evil BW can be.
No, I'll leave the trolling to you and the usual suspects.
I don't think anyone's said the Dalish aren't just like everyone else. Or the ancient elves, for that matter. But acting like *anything* justifies what was done to them is rather... well, unpleasant. I've seen a comparison to what the Spanish did to the Aztecs a few times, and being descended from the Mexica myself, it really turns my stomach.
I don't think being happy the Dalish weren't as innocent as some people claimed and about my having proof that my earlier concerns about the Dalish conquering the Dales have some validation is justifying atrocities committed against them.
People have gone to war over stupider things, lob. See, for example, the War for Jenkin's ear, and the The Battle of Karansebes as prime examples.
Coupled with the fact that this is a group of clans who already don't get along, and throw in the revelation that they have been worshiping an ideology of falsehood as vile as the humans they look down upon? You'll have neo-dalish looking to separate the past from present and form a new independent life from humans without returning to their old ways, and extremist dalish looking to emulate the dalish of the past at all costs, going at eachothers throats in no time.
Please don't tell me this is about what I think it is.
No, but dismissing now three cases of them being as 'isolated incidents' while even your quote from Gaider says that more are malevolent than benevolent is.
You're using a line about the Dalish elves who live near the Rivaini city of Llomerryn to vilify most of them as malevolent, which is my issue. He's addressing the Dalish who live in proximity to humans - the Rivaini who follow the Natural Order. It doesn't say most of them are malevolent; that's entirely you. When addressing most of the Dalish, Gaider said (when a comparison to the Sephardic Jews was made):
They were still living as part of the societies they migrated to, however. The Dalish do not. At best they'll camp too near some human settlement and eventually the local ruler will drive them out, or they will leave voluntarily before things get too tense, but for the most part the Dalish live entirely seperated from human society.
No, I'll leave the trolling to you and the usual suspects.
Oh Lobs, i might still love you for recognizing my sense of humor. But only as a rival.
I don't think being happy the Dalish weren't as innocent as some people claimed and about my having proof that my earlier concerns about the Dalish conquering the Dales have some validation is justifying atrocities committed against them.
Nothing has been validated, because no one claimed the Dalish were perfect.
You're using a line about the Dalish elves who live near the Rivaini city of Llomerryn to vilify most of them as malevolent, which is my issue. He's addressing the Dalish who live in proximity to humans - the Rivaini who follow the Natural Order. It doesn't say most of them are malevolent; that's entirely you. When addressing most of the Dalish, Gaider said (when a comparison to the Sephardic Jews was made):
No, we also have the Dalish clan whose leader was so filled with hatred for humans that he let a lycanthropy curse exist for centuries, harming who knows how many innocent people. We also have a clan that released a freaking Forbidden One into Thedas. We have the word some used to describe them as bandits, which means there are more like that than benevolent ones since benevolent ones were described as few which is less than some. I'll keep going if I have to but hopefully I'm making my point. Despite your attachment to them, the Dalish are no better than any other faction, in fact are worse than some.
Please don't tell me this is about what I think it is.
It is. It ended up lasting 10 years. And it sparked not only the war of austrian succession, but also helped set the ground work for the 7 years war as well.
What's funny though is that The Battle of Karansebes is the dumber of the two, since at least in jenkin's ear, there were at least two sides involved in the conflict, unlike karansebes where you had infantry vs scouting of the same army going at it.
Refusing to bend knee to humanity really bothers you, doesn't it?
Refusing to recognize their mistakes after losing twice and still acting as the betters, is what bothers me.
Not even on a damned forum board can the Dalish catch a break.
But hey, they're the bad guys. They refuse to kowtow to the humans and actually want something for themselves, and despite anything that Lob actually says, he believes that the Dalish barf rainbows and burp sunshine... 
The BSN: Why Even Bother?
No, we also have the Dalish clan whose leader was so filled with hatred for humans that he let a lycanthropy curse exist for centuries, harming who knows how many innocent people. We also have a clan that released a freaking Forbidden One into Thedas. We have the word some used to describe them as bandits, which means there are more like that than benevolent ones since benevolent ones were described as few which is less than some. I'll keep going if I have to but hopefully I'm making my point. Despite your attachment to them, the Dalish are no better than any other faction, in fact are worse than some.
Let's address the simple fact that it doesn't say most of them are malevolent, so that's that. I'm also not going to use Zathrian or the single clan in the Dales to justify your vilification of the majority of the Dalish. The simple fact is Gaider said the clans were all varied and different; that was the point. That's the same thing I've continually stressed as well, which is promptly ignored by people like you.
Nothing has been validated, because no one claimed the Dalish were perfect.
No but you have claimed before that the Dalish couldn't be partially responsible for the war with Orlais and that a Dalish ruled Dales will lead to freedom for all elves.
Well now we have definite proof that this might not be the case.
Oh Lobs, i might still love you for recognizing my sense of humor. But only as a rival.
I'd rather not.
Refusing to recognize their mistakes after losing twice and still acting as the betters, is what bothers me.
If the Dalish historical account about being invaded for their refusal to convert is right, I don't see how that makes them the aggressors.
Let's address the simple fact that it doesn't say most of them are malevolent, so that's that. I'm also not going to use Zathrian or the single clan in the Dales to justify your vilification of the majority of the Dalish. The simple fact is Gaider said the clans were all varied and different; that was the point. That's the same thing I've continually stressed as well, which is promptly ignored by people like you.
In the same light that the majority of the dalish presented thus far have been hostile, xenophobic isolationists is ignored by you!
We all ignore things here! Its BSN!
Well now we have definite proof that this might not be the case.
Just wondering, is it definite proof that it's not the case? Or only maybe?
Not even on a damned forum board can the Dalish catch a break.
But hey, they're the bad guys. They refuse to kowtow to the humans and actually want something for themselves, and despite anything that Lob actually says, he believes that the Dalish barf rainbows and burp sunshine...
The BSN: Why Even Bother?
Don't they? Oh the shattered dreams... I guess they are not as superior after all 
If the Dalish historical account about being invaded for their refusal to convert is right, I don't see how that makes them the aggressors.
According to canon the war started because the Dalish attacked a city, the build up to the war is another matter
No but you have claimed before that the Dalish couldn't be partially responsible for the war with Orlais and that a Dalish ruled Dales will lead to freedom for all elves.
Well now we have definite proof that this might not be the case.
I pointed out there were two historical accounts about the fall of the Dales, and that the player isn't in a position to know which one is correct. I also pointed out that I don't see why an elven-run kingdom would lead to the apocalypse.
You people really don't even bother trying to be remotely accurate in responding to me.
If the Dalish historical account about being invaded for their refusal to convert is right, I don't see how that makes them the aggressors.
Those same accounts that ignore elven slavery? And also the fact that part of their parthenon consists of eldritch horrors? And don't acknowledge the cities they took over or people they killed in their war against the chantry?
By the sound of it, their homeland of the dales was a pretty defensible place, they could have bunkered down and weathered orlais's advances for some time, even having a steady supply of food and water from the forests, orlais would probably not have been able to call an exalted march if they'd stuck to that plan. Given that, the only reason to attack red crossing and all the other cities, was to expand their territory, not for any sort of defensive purpose.
Just wondering, is it definite proof that it's not the case? Or only maybe?
I said might not not will not. 
You people really don't even bother trying to be remotely accurate in responding to me.
Now you are using Generalization Labels in your victim trope Tsk, Tsk lob.
Seriously, People are responding to you in a fairly coherent and easy to understand manner that is within the realm of discourse you are trying to dissuade.
The Onus however for disproving their notions is upon you though.
I said might not not will not.
I haven't even broke the first chapter of TME so I'm a little bit like a fish out of water here
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