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[MisterJB]

The retaliation certainly took a long path to Val Royeaux.

There were Templars there. They just had to get every Templar, you know. Because they believe they have dominion over mages by divine right. That and chantry-controlled Circles.

[LobselVith8]

The retaliation certainly took a long path to Val Royeaux.

 

By that time, it was a full-scale war between humans and elves. Ariane even implies the Circle of Magi was involved on the side of the humans.

[Dean_the_Young]

 

Ah. I do hope we get the option to play Andrastian/Dalish/Nothing regardless of species.

 

 

I've always wondered what the Dalish reaction to some humans worshipping elven gods or attempting Dalish rituals would be. I doubt it would  be happy, but it could certainly be interesting.

[AresKeith]

I don't think the majority of the Dalish in the games and books so far can qualify as  "a few". While I agree with not using blanket statements, the shown Dalish elves aren't helping their case so I can see why others think the way they do on this. 

 

Not to mention that some of us refers to the Clan themselves as Dalish not the entire group themselves

[Shadow Fox]

More than one war has been started that way...

Getting harder to see them as innocent victims of human aggression here.

[efd731]

The retaliation certainly took a long path to Val Royeaux.

well, they're dirty forest dwellers, what do you expect (done trolling lob now) but seriously, a disorganized nomad culture going up a feudal nation without a numbers or tech advantage....win Win for Orlais.

[renfrees]

By that time, it was a full-scale war between humans and elves. Ariane even implies the Circle of Magi was involved on the side of the humans.

Implies? It's their duty, the Chantry doesn't feed and teach them for pretty eyes.

[efd731]

Also, I've been skimming the thread, could someone please spoil the entirety of TME for me? Because I'm a strong independent man (living in a tiny rural town) that don't need no amazon.

[LobselVith8]

Getting harder to see them as innocent victims of human aggression here.

 

The religious persecution of the elven patheon, the templars pursuing the clans, the inequality in the law (such as Ferelden criminalizing helping an elf against a human attack), and the purges against the Alienages aren't up for debate.

[EmperorSahlertz]

well, they're dirty forest dwellers, what do you expect (done trolling lob now) but seriously, a disorganized nomad culture going up a feudal nation without a numbers or tech advantage....win Win for Orlais.

Actually at that time the Dalish were significantly superior to their current state. They had an organized and well-functioning state, if isolationistic, which could stand on its own. They even gave Orlais a severe beating for the better part of the war. It wasn't until the Exalted March was called, that Orlais started to push the Dalish back.

[renfrees]

Also, I've been skimming the thread, could someone please spoil the entirety of TME for me? Because I'm a strong independent man (living in a tiny rural town) that don't need no amazon.

There's a thread dedicated to that - http://forum.bioware...-with-spoilers/

[Cainhurst Crow]

The religious persecution of the elven patheon, the templars pursuing the clans, the inequality in the law (such as Ferelden criminalizing helping an elf against a human attack), and the purges against the Alienages aren't up for debate.

 

Yeah those elves were certainly persecuted what with getting their own territory to self govern for hundreds of years and templar trespassing only happening after they decided to watch thedas burn at the darkspawn hands. It's almost like the dalish had a hand in screwing up the deal they had.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Yeah those elves were certainly persecuted what with getting their own territory and templar trespassing only happening hundreds of years after they formed a sovereign state that wanted to watch thedas burn at the darkspawn hands.

Not to mention that the Dalish THEMSELVES apparently made religious persecutions against the Andrastians.... Who would've thunk it?

[Ryzaki]

I've always wondered what the Dalish reaction to some humans worshipping elven gods or attempting Dalish rituals would be. I doubt it would  be happy, but it could certainly be interesting.

 

It would be an interesting reaction. I hope they wouldn't be hardasses about it but...well that's a airtoss.

 

 

Getting harder to see them as innocent victims of human aggression here.

 

XD

[LobselVith8]

Yeah those elves were certainly persecuted what with getting their own territory to self govern for hundreds of years and templar trespassing only happening after they decided to watch thedas burn at the darkspawn hands. It's almost like the dalish had a hand in screwing up the deal they had.

 

According to the Dalish, it happened because the Chantry took offense at the elves following their own religion, and wanted them to convert. A historical perspective that can be expressed by the elven Warden as well. That's why Hahren Sarethia of the Highever Alienage said, "But you already know that something went wrong. Our ancestors' worship of the old elven gods angered the human Chantry, which constantly sent missionaries to our land. The Chantry wanted to convert our people to their worship of the Maker, but the Dalish would not submit."

[Hanako Ikezawa]

According to the Dalish, it happened because the Chantry took offense at the elves following their own religion, and wanted them to convert. A historical perspective that can be expressed by the elven Warden as well. That's why Hahren Sarethia of the Highever Alienage said, "But you already know that something went wrong. Our ancestors' worship of the old elven gods angered the human Chantry, which constantly sent missionaries to our land. The Chantry wanted to convert our people to their worship of the Maker, but the Dalish would not submit."

And they are obviously the most accurate source of history. The couldn't possibly be biased. 

[Shadow Fox]

The religious persecution of the elven patheon, the templars pursuing the clans, the inequality in the law (such as Ferelden criminalizing helping an elf against a human attack), and the purges against the Alienages aren't up for debate.

And here we go again with you not addressing the post to go on one of your anti-chantry spiels.

 

The fact is the Dalish losing a war they started does not make them victims of aggression, it's makes them invaders who got their asses kicked.

[LobselVith8]

Not to mention that the Dalish THEMSELVES apparently made religious persecutions against the Andrastians.... Who would've thunk it?

 

By refusing to convert, and maintaining their own religious beliefs?

[EmperorSahlertz]

By refusing to convert, and maintaining their own religious beliefs?

By persecuting peaceful missionaries, and disallowing their own people religious freedom.

[LobselVith8]

And they are obviously the most accurate source of history. The couldn't possibly be biased. 

 

You seem to miss the several times I pointed out the player doesn't know which historical account is the correct one.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

By refusing to convert, and maintaining their own religious beliefs?

No, by kicking out Andrastian missionaries from the Dales. There is a difference between "We don't want to believe what you believe" and "You aren't welcome in our nation".

 

 

You seem to miss the several times I pointed out the player doesn't know which historical account is the correct one.

And you keep using the Dalish side as if it is fact despite you pointing it out. You don't even consider the other side. 

[LobselVith8]

 

And here we go again with you not addressing the post to go on one of your anti-chantry spiels. 

 

I pointed out that the elves face discrimination in Thedas - both the Dalish and the elves who live under human rule. And considering your anti-Dalish spiels, you really have no room to criticize anyone for disliking a particular faction.

 

The fact is the Dalish losing a war they started does not make them victims of aggression, it's makes them invaders who got their asses kicked.

 

If a religious army invaded their territory because the elves wouldn't convert, I don't agree.

[Cainhurst Crow]

By refusing to convert, and maintaining their own religious beliefs?

 

By sacking a city and marching on the capital. Or does that fall under protecting their religion as well? Seems if that's the case, the chantry was simply refusing to convert to the dalish religion and maintaining their beliefs as well by fighting back.
 

[EmperorSahlertz]

By sacking a city and marching on the capital. Or does that fall under protecting their religion as well? Seems if that's the case, the chantry was simply refusing to convert to the dalish religion and maintaining their beliefs as well by fighting back.
 

No no no.... you see, when Andrastians fight back, they are actually being dicks. When Elves fight back, it is because they are persecuted. It is a very important distinction to make.

[LobselVith8]

No, by kicking out Andrastian missionaries from the Dales. There is a difference between "We don't want to believe what you believe" and "You aren't welcome in our nation".

 

Which, according to the Dalish historical account, was followed by an incursion of the militant arm of the Chantry into sovereign territory. Why am I not surprised that some of you gloss over the serious issue of an army invading a foreign nation.

 

And you keep using the Dalish side as if it is fact despite you pointing it out. You don't even consider the other side. 

 

In response to people who act as though the Chantry historical account is the true, indisputable truth of the universe. And I address that the player doesn't know the truth enough times; I see no reason to plaster every single post with that comment when I'm addressing the same people.