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[The Hierophant]

So it's incompatible when it comes to an organization you like despite how multiple characters perceive the Chantry controlled Circles, but it's perfectly fine when it comes to a group you deplore because one single character said so? Just checking.

A fallible character's biased opinion doesn't set or change the definition of slavery when their example is incompatible to it's original definition and in universe examples of slavery as in the case of Orana. In contrast the mages are well learned, not forced to work or without pay and could contest Chantry/Templar authority by voting for secession. The CoM was a perpetual quarantine that at it's worst could be considered a prison.

But continue on with the butchering of slavery's definition to gain a dubious moral high ground.
 

Not really, considering how my statements focused on the Dalish (to the extent of pointing out that they are flawed and different), and not on Arlathan. I find the hypocrisy more troubling, since no one says the Andrastians should forsake everything they believe in because of the flaws with the Chantry of Andraste, while multiple people act as though the Dalish should forsake everything they believe in if it turns out that Arlathan engaged in some deplorable behavior.

Nice obfuscating stupidity. The elves of Arlathan were put on a moral pedestal by virtue of Tevinter/humanity being their enemies on these forums. Now that the negatives of their culture have come to light their fanboys feel like or are being called to task while the Dalish continue to be portrayed as either @ss backwards or morally gray like their human counterparts.

The only hypocrisy with the Dalish reclaiming the glory of their past would be if someone supports slavery and imperialism amongst one group but decries it in them. So far Tevinter is reviled on this board while Orlais is considered ham and cheese.

[Cainhurst Crow]

That would be like attacking Rome to get to the Vatican. Multiple cities, no it's unnecessary [i'm unaware if it was] but to attack Val Royeaux makes perfect sense to me.

And all they needed to do was carve out a bloody path of death and destruction to the innocent people who had nothing to do with the chantry in the slightest to get there, then sacked the city. Not attacked the chantry, but raided, pillaged, possibly raped, definitely wholesale slaughtered, and looted the entire city.

But you know, you had to protect the homeland, which at that point was probably many miles away by then.

[Divine Justinia V]

And all they needed to do was carve out a bloody path of death and destruction to the innocent people who had nothing to do with the chantry in the slightest to get there, then sacked the city. Not attacked the chantry, but raided, pillaged, possibly raped, definitely wholesale slaughtered, and looted the entire city.

But you know, you had to protect the homeland, which at that point was probably many miles away by then.

 

It doesn't have to be morally correct to make sense.

[SgtSteel91]

So do people still want to support better living conditions and equality for the elves? City elves, at least?

[dragondreamer]

So in other words, it was war, which is always ugly?  I'm not going to defend anything that was done during the war.  But what was done to the Dales and the elves in the aftermath was excessive.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So do people still want to support better living conditions and equality for the elves? City elves, at least?

Absolutely. I am a staunch supporter of the City Elves and Casteless Dwarves getting better lives.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So in other words, it was war, which is always ugly?  I'm not going to defend anything that was done during the war.  But what was done to the Dales and the elves in the aftermath was excessive.

But the spoils of war are also part of war.

[Cainhurst Crow]

So do people still want to support better living conditions and equality for the elves? City elves, at least?

Completely, I'm for improving the lives of everyone, no matter what they are.

[Divine Justinia V]

So in other words, it was war, which is always ugly?  I'm not going to defend anything that was done during the war.  But what was done to the Dales and the elves in the aftermath was excessive.

 

Basically. War is always ugly. It's a bit idealistic to assume it should be morally and ethically responsive. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I'm pretty apathetic to this particular case, but to act like the same stuff, possibly much worse, has never happened before in Thedas is asinine to me. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

So in other words, it was war, which is always ugly?  I'm not going to defend anything that was done during the war.  But what was done to the Dales and the elves in the aftermath was excessive.

It was less than what the Elves did to the people of Red Crossing and Montsimmard.

[Divine Justinia V]

So do people still want to support better living conditions and equality for the elves? City elves, at least?

 

of course

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

So in other words, it was war, which is always ugly?  I'm not going to defend anything that was done during the war.  But what was done to the Dales and the elves in the aftermath was excessive.

 

Not by the standards of the time.

 

They just had their lands annexed and their careful attempts at cultural reconstruction wrecked, any Emperor worth his salt would have made sure they could never cause problems again.

[The Hierophant]

So do people still want to support better living conditions and equality for the elves? City elves, at least?

Of course. The CE don't deserve the discrimination they face especially after they've played ball with the humans and got jack in return. It's a shame we can't play a CE as the origin could potentially provide more info on Briala and the eluvians.

[AresKeith]

Of course. The CE don't deserve the discrimination they face especially after they've played ball with the humans and got jack in return. It's a shame we can't play a CE as the origin could potentially provide more info on Briala and the eluvians.

 

Shame on you Bioware 

[renfrees]

So do people still want to support better living conditions and equality for the elves? City elves, at least?

Yes. As i said, most people here are not against the elves, but against bigotry of the Dalish.

[Senya]

Indeed. The City Elves deserve to be treated better than they are now. They should at the very least be on the same level as other human peasants, which is not much in some places, I will grant you, but it's a start. Their lot should increase as human peasants' lot increases as well.

[AresKeith]

So do people still want to support better living conditions and equality for the elves? City elves, at least?

 

Yea City Elves along with Casteless Dwarves should be treated better

 

Bhelen (or my Dwarf Noble Warden  ) 2014

[Ryzaki]

Absolutely. I am a staunch supporter of the City Elves and Casteless Dwarves getting better lives.

 

Same.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Yea City Elves along with Casteless Dwarves should be treated better

 

Bhelen (or my Dwarf Noble Warden  ) 2014

 

Ah Bhelen! There's an autocrat I would vote for!

[Senya]

Ah Bhelen! There's an autocrat I would vote for!

I don't necessarily like Bhelen. I just chose him because he was better than the other guy.

 

Why does that seem familiar......?

[Cainhurst Crow]

Indeed. The City Elves deserve to be treated better than they are now. They should at the very least be on the same level as other human peasants, which is not much in some places, I will grant you, but it's a start. Their lot should increase as human peasants' lot increases as well.

And that is what humanities wrongs are. That's why I like dragon age, in a way. You can't just go with one single side and be right, cause there's always a catch that shows how double edged everyone in the setting is.

[dragondreamer]

I'd like to help *all* the elves.  

 

Unless they try to sic a demon on me, then they'll probably get nuked from space, but I take everyone on a case by case basis.  

[EmissaryofLies]

It breaks my heart that you lot aren't getting your city elves. You have my sincerest condolences. 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

I don't necessarily like Bhelen. I just chose him because he was better than the other guy.

 

Why does that seem familiar......?

 

Hey I like Bhelen, he's smart enough to know his peoples staunch traditionalism is going to destroy them and he's got the guts to force his people to change so they will survive.

 

No one should ever be trusted with absolute power, but that doesn't mean that some can't be excellent at wielding it.

[dragondreamer]

It breaks my heart that you lot aren't getting your city elves. You have my sincerest condolences. 

 

I honestly wish they were still an option, along with the Circle elves.  But I'm still happy to be able to play an elf at all, and the Dalish were my first choice this time around.