Basically. War is always ugly. It's a bit idealistic to assume it should be morally and ethically responsive. I'm not saying I agree or disagree, I'm pretty apathetic to this particular case, but to act like the same stuff, possibly much worse, has never happened before in Thedas is asinine to me.
Eh for me it's more the fact that some Dalish supporters blame humanity for a war the Dalish started.
Eh for me it's more the fact that some Dalish supporters blame humanity for a war the Dalish started.
I feel ya, and I'm sure it's that for a lot of people.. but there are a few that get on that moral high horse and act like this is a one time, exclusively Dalish thing.
but na I mean if the facts are there that humanity didn't start it than idk why anyone would say different?
Nah.
My favorite Origin was my Surana Warden, and he was from the Denerim Alienage, stolen from his family at a young age and imprisoned in the Circle; he became an atheist. Pragmatic blood mage who thought the darkspawn needed to be stopped, no matter the cost. He romanced Morrigan and joined her beyond the Eluvian with his faithful Mabari Hound and his son.
Technically, a city elf.
I like playing as different characters, but being a mage in Andrastian society tended to put my mindset towards freedom from a system I morally opposed, both from an in-character perspective and as a player. I'm actually thinking my first run as the Dalish Inquisitor will be quite different from my canon runs - no dealing with spirits, no blood magic, playing as a follower of the Creators, having a character who is primarily focused on the Elvhen and not on the plight of the mages.
Wow... We share favorite origins. Though, mine is pretty much the opposite of yours. Romanced Leliana, devout Andrastian, was glad not to live in an Alienage, etc. Let's hope the Eluvians don't open up a gateway between your Thedas and mine.
I personally do not know how the Dalish question can be settled. I don't know if there is any empty land for them to settle on and there would be conflicts of interest between City Elves and Dalish Elves in the Dales. It might be Bioware wants them to stay wanderers so you can run into a clan wherever in Thedas the series takes you.
I feel ya, and I'm sure it's that for a lot of people.. but there are a few that get on that moral high horse and act like this is a one time, exclusively Dalish thing.
but na I mean if the facts are there that humanity didn't start it than idk why anyone would say different?
I'm sure you know that answer 
I'm sure you know that answer
Dat favoritism tho lol
I could care less what a biased character who's fallible calls slavery especially when it doesn't fit the definition. Orana would sure as heck love Anders' classification of slavery.Multiple characters have called it slavery from different time periods. It's an in-character view of the Chantry controlled Circles. Also, you're citing something that mimicked real world slavery at certain periods, and can be expanded on - fine clothes, accommodations, education; that didn't change that it was still slavery then. Furthermore, in the City of Amaranthine, Wynne noted that voting for autonomy would lead to an attempted massacre against all the mages.
My point was, if the Dalish should forgo their faith, their heritage, and their culture because of the alleged slavery during Arlathan, why shouldn't Andrastians do the same when the Chantry has practiced slavery?
In-character views of the Chantry controlled Circles, you mean.
I'm used to the insults at this point. Regardless, I don't recall anyone putting Arlathan on a pedestal. The point that was made about how different the ancient elves were in comparison to their descendants. The elven lore mentions their immortality; Merrill mentions that they all possessed magical ability. A different (almost alien) era, with a wholly different people who took centuries when greeting one another.
As for moral, enslaving people isn't moral. It isn't excusable when Tevinter did it, and I see no reason to excuse Arlathan if they did it. Of course, some people on your side defended the Imperium enslaving the elves because the Arlathan elves withdrew themselves because of the quickening.
I'm not seeing the imperialism in the elves having a homeland where they can be free, when there's literally nowhere else on Thedas they can be their own masters. And I'm not seeing the ethos of the Dalish supporting slavery or conquest. Their own homeland, yes.
Try to take a lessons from Lobs, he's certainly used to replying multiple adversaries at once.
That's glorifying it a bit much, don't you think? Lobs would need to take a level or dozen to qualify as anyone's adversary.
Unless this is some sort of one-sided rivalry thing, but I don't think Lobs has ever claimed the perspective.
That's glorifying it a bit much, don't you think? Lobs would need to take a level or dozen to qualify as anyone's adversary.
Unless this is some sort of one-sided rivalry thing, but I don't think Lobs has ever claimed the perspective.
Low blow, Dean!
Well, I don't agree with Lob most of the time. But his taking on multiple opponents in a debate is admirable. I give him props for that.
Wow... We share favorite origins. Though, mine is pretty much the opposite of yours. Romanced Leliana, devout Andrastian, was glad not to live in an Alienage, etc. Let's hope the Eluvians don't open up a gateway between your Thedas and mine.
I personally do not know how the Dalish question can be settled. I don't know if there is any empty land for them to settle on and there would be conflicts of interest between City Elves and Dalish Elves in the Dales. It might be Bioware wants them to stay wanderers so you can run into a clan wherever in Thedas the series takes you.
I split the difference: I romanced Leliana and was glad not to live in an Alienage... but the Circle wasn't really that much better, my parents had been planning to leave for the Dalish before they got caught with me, and I wasn't religious to any noticeable extent.
That's glorifying it a bit much, don't you think? Lobs would need to take a level or dozen to qualify as anyone's adversary.
Unless this is some sort of one-sided rivalry thing, but I don't think Lobs has ever claimed the perspective.
Perhaps he can be Jirix. And on that note, I still don't think your avatar suits you; if there's anyone in the Vector Legion you remind me of, it's Miron.
I split the difference: I romanced Leliana and was glad not to live in an Alienage... but the Circle wasn't really that much better, my parents had been planning to leave for the Dalish before they got caught with me, and I wasn't religious to any noticeable extent.
Perhaps he can be Jirix. And on that note, I still don't think your avatar suits you; if there's anyone in the Vector Legion you remind me of, it's Miron.
So, 2/4 so far. There will probably be more differences, though, if we add the Circle and Dalish, though. My parents were happy in the Highever Alienage... Until Howe sold them to the Tevinters.
So, we all still for smashing the mirrors?
So, we all still for smashing the mirrors?
I am. They are too dangerous for Thedas. Even if they weren't a security risk when it comes to the Fade, I wouldn't trust any group in Thedas with control of them.
So, we all still for smashing the mirrors?
As much as I am for smashing all stored archdemon blood. Which is to say, not.
So, we all still for smashing the mirrors?
Nope. That wasn't even a unanimous decision---
I'm just gonna stop. I'm digging myself a deep hole.
So, we all still for smashing the mirrors?
Yes, smash them good
Hulk Smash
Perhaps he can be Jirix.
Still too presumptuous. Conrad Verner at best.
And on that note, I still don't think your avatar suits you; if there's anyone in the Vector Legion you remind me of, it's Miron.
I'm comfortable identifying with an intelligent, clever, self-centered, arrogant, but most of all genre-savy not-real-villain who managed to age with grace.
Redcloak doesn't suit you at all.
So, we all still for smashing the mirrors?
Well, if the option comes up, definitely.
As much as I am for smashing all stored archdemon blood. Which is to say, not.
Meh, to be honest, without the passphrase, it'd be very hard to destroy the eluvian matrix anyways lol.
Nope. That wasn't even a unanimous decision---
I'm just gonna stop. I'm digging myself a deep hole.
Overruled, dear.
Meh, to be honest, without the passphrase, it'd be very hard to destroy the eluvian matrix anyways lol.
Guess that leaves another choice
Overruled, dear.
Overruled =/= Unanimous.
Guess that leaves another choice
Morrigan to counteract them? I feel like she might know how to activate them regardless of the "passphrase".
Low blow, Dean!
Just saying- when I think 'epic rivalries of the Bioware forums,' Lobsel doesn't really figure anywhere on that list.
Which, admittedly, doesn't even exist in the first place: watching people bicker about fictional favorites doesn't exactly get my heart racing with excitement. So I suppose you could say Lobsel is in very good company in that.
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