Honestly though I'm pro smashing the mirrors. Nothing that good works in the DA universe without a cost.
I can't help but wonder if there wasn't a reason the network was shut down before, that maybe the network might be connected to the catastrophe mentioned by the Arcane Warrior trapped in the phylactery (DA:O).
Every time you use one of those mirrors a puppy is hit by a carriage and a once loving family is split apart.
D:
I can't help but wonder if there wasn't a reason the network was shut down before, that maybe the network might be connected to the catastrophe mentioned by the Arcane Warrior trapped in the phylactery.
Would make sense. Then the poor elves shut the eluvians off to make sure it never got back into Thedas...then those poor fools reactivated them...
I can't help but wonder if there wasn't a reason the network was shut down before, that maybe the network might be connected to the catastrophe mentioned by the Arcane Warrior trapped in the phylactery.
It's certainly plausible. Felassan makes a point of mentioning that it seemed the network had been shut down suddenly, as there were elven servants who had clearly been somehow stranded at the heart of the matrix with no way to get out.
Would make sense. Then the poor elves shut the eluvians off to make sure it never got back into Thedas...then those poor fools reactivated them...
...so maybe the elves shut them down on purpose to keep something from getting into Thedas...scary thought. Maybe there is something more hidden in the in-between world.
It's certainly plausible. Felassan makes a point of mentioning that it seemed the network had been shut down suddenly, as there were elven servants who had clearly been somehow stranded at the heart of the matrix with no way to get out.
reminds me of those unfortunate Protheans that got stuck in the Citadel. Bad way to go.
Indeed. Poor things had starved to death in that underground hall, completely trapped.
Indeed. Poor things had starved to death in that underground hall, completely trapped.
Come on they'd die of thirst well before hunger claimed them!
...so maybe the elves shut them down on purpose to keep something from getting into Thedas...scary thought. Maybe there is something more hidden in the in-between world.
DA version of the ForeRunners
Nah I'd suspect the original Darkspawn or a pit where the higher level demons are contained.
DA version of the ForeRunners
Wow...this book is providing so much fun speculation!
Every time you use one of those mirrors a puppy is hit by a carriage and a once loving family is split apart.
Can that be aimed? If so, I'm all for continuing their use: we can smack down families like the Kendalls and hopefully kill their mabari before they grow too large.
Eh for me it's more the fact that some Dalish supporters blame humanity for a war the Dalish started.
I've pointed out there are two historical accounts for the war with the Dales - one from the Chantry, and another from the elves (since the hahren of the Highever Alienage also references an incursion on the Dales by the Chantry in his account) - and neither WoT nor the developers have clarified which one is the truth. Unless you actually have evidence to support that the Chantry version of the war with the Dales is the correct one from one of the developers, I don't see why you're acting as though your preferred version is the correct one.
I still want all the elves to have their own kingdom.
I stand by my previous suppositions on this point. If it happens, and I think it will to some degree or the other, that the dalish and CEs get a country, it will be two seperate countries. They are basically two distinct cultures at this point. I actually think the CEs will get a city state that is part of Orlais. That way they have a place where the elves are in charge, but have Orlais basically between them and the rest of Thedas.
What I have so far found interesting is the perception that Elves in Orlais have it better then elves in Ferelden. It is beyond interesting that the perspectives are that different and not presented as an absolute.
I feel ya, and I'm sure it's that for a lot of people.. but there are a few that get on that moral high horse and act like this is a one time, exclusively Dalish thing.
but na I mean if the facts are there that humanity didn't start it than idk why anyone would say different?
Because there are two historical accounts for the war with the Dales, and it's never been clarified (by the developers or the World of Thedas) which historical account is the correct one.
I stand by my previous suppositions on this point. If it happens, and I think it will to some degree or the other, that the dalish and CEs get a country, it will be two seperate countries. They are basically two distinct cultures at this point. I actually think the CEs will get a city state that is part of Orlais. That way they have a place where the elves are in charge, but have Orlais basically between them and the rest of Thedas.
What I have so far found interesting is the perception that Elves in Orlais have it better then elves in Ferelden. It is beyond interesting that the perspectives are that different and not presented as an absolute.
So the Dalish get the Dales and the city elves get to carve out another part of Orlais?
I stand by my previous suppositions on this point. If it happens, and I think it will to some degree or the other, that the dalish and CEs get a country, it will be two seperate countries. They are basically two distinct cultures at this point. I actually think the CEs will get a city state that is part of Orlais. That way they have a place where the elves are in charge, but have Orlais basically between them and the rest of Thedas.
It would probably be more like a quarantine than a city-state.
Can that be aimed? If so, I'm all for continuing their use: we can smack down families like the Kendalls and hopefully kill their mabari before they grow too large.
Wow Xil, I mean I know your RAGEKILLDESTROY reflex is triggered by anything you project your own issues on being threatened but damn am I glad you don't have any power.
Xilbot: Citizen you have been known to listen to /v/ musical parodies, your scheduled execution shall begin now, die bigot! *ZAAAP*
Because there are two historical accounts for the war with the Dales, and it's neither been clarified (by the developers or the World of Thedas) which historical account is the correct one.
If I recall correctly, the World of Thedas marks the start of the war with the attack on the Orlesian village of Red Crossing.
So the Dalish get the Dales and the city elves get to carve out another part of Orlais?
I'd give the Dales to the CE's personally.
The Dalish can just go die, or go back to enslaving each or whatever they feel like doing these days.
Like summoning demons and getting slaughtered by them.
Wow Xil, I mean I know your RAGEKILLDESTROY reflex is triggered by anything you project your own issues on being threatened but damn am I glad you don't have any power.
Xilbot: Citizen you have been known to listen to /v/ musical parodies, your scheduled execution shall begin now, die bigot! *ZAAAP*
You do recall the Kendalls family was the one containing the psycho-rapist and his apparently trigger-happy potential mass-murdering father, yes?
I could care less what a biased character who's fallible calls slavery especially when it doesn't fit the definition. Orana would sure as heck love Anders' classification of slavery.
Anders isn't alone in that perspective, as you well know. I also find it interesting a multitude of people are jumping on the bandwagon based on the view of a single person, but you're dismissing a myriad of characters viewing the Chantry controlled Circles as slavery. It seems obvious that you have no problem clinging to the view of slavery when it comes to a group you dislike, but abhor it's use when it comes to a group you like.
Plus nothing of what you posted changes the fact that the elves of the past and present were put on a moral pedestal and treated like the de facto woobie victim people by some on this board.
No one put them on a moral pedestal. No one claimed the elves were perfect or infallible. The only people who ever say such things are people on your side of the fence, and it's complete garbage. People have strong issues with the Chantry of Andraste and the Order of Templars for engaging in behavior that some of us view as deplorable and amoral, but that doesn't mean anyone thinks the elves or the mages are incapable of making mistakes.
Also the Chantry blaming and the equating of the Dalish's religious beliefs to their whole culture is a poor attempt to ignore their xenophobia, their racist pov of humans being life draining vermins since way back in the day, the CE being barely considered better, while they ignorantly cling to the hope that they'd regain their past glory of fairy tales that's ironically steeped in imperialism and slavery.
The Dalish are about adhering to the traditions of the Elvhen, including a belief in the Creators. We also have WoG that some clans interact with the Rivaini, which isn't surprising since the traditionalists of the kingdom follow the Natural Order, and the clans wouldn't have the same issues that they face with Andrastians. I also think it's disingenuous of you to act as though it's a universal perspective for the Dalish to harbor racist views of humans, since that's contradicted by the narrative and multiple characters we've encountered (not to mention Gaider's own post about the Dalish).
Also, the Dalish are the remnants of the Dales, not Arlathan. Acting as though the possible slavery of Arlathan is all there is to the kingdom is the same as saying that the enslavement of the mages is all there is to the Chantry of Andraste.
Again, i could care less about a biased character's misuse of a term to gain moral support for their opinion.
You mean multiple characters. And I see that stance doesn't apply when a character says someone you like about a group you dislike.
I'd give the Dales to the CE's personally.
The Dalish can just go die, or go back to enslaving each or whatever they feel like doing these days.
Like summoning demons and getting slaughtered by them.
Yep, I definitely can get on board with that.
Because there are two historical accounts for the war with the Dales, and it's neither been clarified (by the developers or the World of Thedas) which historical account is the correct one.
okay, I got that the first time you said it but WoT says differently, iirc
okay, I got that the first time you said it but WoT says differently, iirc
No it doesn't, as I pointed out when I posted the entry of the fall of the Dales in my elven thread.
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