okay, I got that the first time you said it but WoT says differently, iirc
Justinia don't bother, i actually recited the entire passage on that very thread he mentioned and he brushed it off as it not being detailed enough.
Its Lob, Seriously why do people respond?
So the Dalish get the Dales and the city elves get to carve out another part of Orlais?
I posted it in the Asunder thread I believe cause Lob wanted to know what my theory was. Yeah basically the CEs get their city state/country in the dales. Whether independent or part of the Orlesian Empire I don't know. Independence sounds like the best option, but I am not certain the CEs of Orlais actually want to be completely independent, plus there is the whole business that if they are part of Orlais, they have the protection of Orlais. As Celene puts it in ME, the CEs aren't elves, they are Orlesians. I think it could work.
As for the Dalish, if they ever are moved beyond the nomadic tribes they are currently, I think they will resettle the ruins of Arlathan which will conveniently be located in some sparsely or completely unpopulated section of Thedas we haven't been to yet.
I am far more certain that the CEs will get their territory then I am the dalish. I just am not convinced yet that the DA designers want to move away from the story and plot possibilities presented by keeping the dalish nomadic and infinite in the number of tribes they have. Granted, a restored kingdom of Arlathan would have its own possibilities plot wise.
Spoiler
Oh Maker that's rich.
If I recall correctly, the World of Thedas marks the start of the war with the attack on the Orlesian village of Red Crossing.
Yup
I posted it in the Asunder thread I believe cause Lob wanted to know what my theory was. Yeah basically the CEs get their city state/country in the dales. Whether independent or part of the Orlesian Empire I don't know. Independence sounds like the best option, but I am not certain the CEs of Orlais actually want to be completely independent, plus there is the whole business that if they are part of Orlais, they have the protection of Orlais. As Celene puts it in ME, the CEs aren't elves, they are Orlesians. I think it could work.
Well, that might look great on paper for the CEs at first, but I think it would really be a step backwards, or at best, a step sideways.
I stand by my previous suppositions on this point. If it happens, and I think it will to some degree or the other, that the dalish and CEs get a country, it will be two seperate countries. They are basically two distinct cultures at this point. I actually think the CEs will get a city state that is part of Orlais. That way they have a place where the elves are in charge, but have Orlais basically between them and the rest of Thedas.
What I have so far found interesting is the perception that Elves in Orlais have it better then elves in Ferelden. It is beyond interesting that the perspectives are that different and not presented as an absolute.
Perhaps that will happen. I'm not opposed to helping the city elves, if the goal is for them to have their own nation; I really don't understand why some CE fans view the Dalish as antagonists. I'm all for having my elven Inquisitor help the CEs and the Dalish.
As for better, I'm not sure I would say that. Their living conditions are rather cramped. According to "Alienage Culture": "They say that Val Royeaux has ten thousand elves living in a space no bigger than Denerim's market. Their walls are supposedly so high that daylight doesn't reach the vhenadahl until midday."
My current goal so far: Utilize the Eluvians for the benefit of the Elvhen, overthrow the Orlesian occupation of the kingdom of the Dales, and forge an alliance with the autonomous mages against the templars.
Yup
Geeze I am getting as tired of this argument as I am certain others about a particular elf blood mage character.
Look, the war may officially have started with Red Crossing, but that doesn't mean Red Crossing didn't launch a raiding party that killed a bunch of elves in the Dales. Red Crossing may have been where a bunch of border skirmishes grew into outright war, or it may not be. The point is none of ya'll know the events that lead up to it and despite what WoT says, we don't know all the details and because of the way DA is written, we will know the answer to this question about the same time we know if there is a Maker, where the darkspawn came from, ....which is to say never.
Yup
Actually, WoT addressed that the attack on Red Crossing lead to an Exalted March, but it doesn't say which historical account was correct: the human version, or the elven version.
Also, I'm not the least bit surprised that the same people who keep pretending as though they have irrevocable proof that the Chantry version is correct are the same people who can never provide any developer quote or entry from WoT to back up their claim, while I provided the entire entry in my elven thread to show that it never reveals who is right.
We don't have any evidence to support either historical version as the correct one.
Well, that might look great on paper for the CEs at first, but I think it would really be a step backwards, or at best, a step sideways.
MAybe they could live in a federal style government? Their own ability to make decisions within their own state territory boarders, but answering to the higher ranked federal government of orlais? Seems like it'd be the best of both worlds. Elves get more freedom while also still benefitting from orlesian protection and resources.
Perhaps that will happen. I'm not opposed to helping the city elves, if the goal is for them to have their own nation; I really don't understand why some CE fans view the Dalish as antagonists. I'm all for having my elven Inquisitor help the CEs and the Dalish.
As for better, I'm not sure I would say that. Their living conditions are rather cramped. According to "Alienage Culture": "They say that Val Royeaux has ten thousand elves living in a space no bigger than Denerim's market. Their walls are supposedly so high that daylight doesn't reach the vhenadahl until midday."
My current goal so far: Utilize the Eluvians for the benefit of the Elvhen, overthrow the Orlesian occupation of the kingdom of the Dales, and forge an alliance with the autonomous mages against the templars.
I don't see the dalish as antagonist Lob, I just don't see the cultures as being compatible anymore. Also, my comment was more in finding it interesting that those in Orlais think their lives are better then those who have to live in alienages in Ferelden. Its just the impression I got from the book about what they think.
Well, that might look great on paper for the CEs at first, but I think it would really be a step backwards, or at best, a step sideways.
Well, considering they would be the ones who are actually ruling the area, it would be a step up. Sure, they would have an empress or emperor, but so do all the nobles in the rest of Orlais. You give the CEs a place where they legally call the shots, they are the military and city guards, they control commerce and such, it is much more then a step sideways.
I agree give the CE the Dales
I'm for it. If any Elves deserve compensation, it is the City Elves.
Yep, I definitely can get on board with that.
These people get it!
So the Dalish get the Dales and the city elves get to carve out another part of Orlais?
Elves: the third option in the Orlesian conflict.
The Dales also seems to border the Frostback Mountains where the gate to Orzammar is. Lyrium: one of the most valuable commodities in the known world.
I don't see the dalish as antagonist Lob, I just don't see the cultures as being compatible anymore. Also, my comment was more in finding it interesting that those in Orlais think their lives are better then those who have to live in alienages in Ferelden. Its just the impression I got from the book about what they think.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. I was talking about some of the people in this thread who seem to feel like the Dalish are automatic antagonists to the elves living under human rule. I just don't get it.
So are those skirmish lines? definitely look like banners at the bottom.
Well, considering they would be the ones who are actually ruling the area, it would be a step up. Sure, they would have an empress or emperor, but so do all the nobles in the rest of Orlais. You give the CEs a place where they legally call the shots, they are the military and city guards, they control commerce and such, it is much more then a step sideways.
What is it really, though, but a giant Alienage? Are human/elven relations supposed to improve with further isolation? How long do they get to legally "call the shots" before the surrounding nobility, or a ruler not as sympathetic as Celene, decides to take it all away?
I posted it in the Asunder thread I believe cause Lob wanted to know what my theory was. Yeah basically the CEs get their city state/country in the dales. Whether independent or part of the Orlesian Empire I don't know. Independence sounds like the best option, but I am not certain the CEs of Orlais actually want to be completely independent, plus there is the whole business that if they are part of Orlais, they have the protection of Orlais. As Celene puts it in ME, the CEs aren't elves, they are Orlesians. I think it could work.
As for the Dalish, if they ever are moved beyond the nomadic tribes they are currently, I think they will resettle the ruins of Arlathan which will conveniently be located in some sparsely or completely unpopulated section of Thedas we haven't been to yet.
I am far more certain that the CEs will get their territory then I am the dalish. I just am not convinced yet that the DA designers want to move away from the story and plot possibilities presented by keeping the dalish nomadic and infinite in the number of tribes they have. Granted, a restored kingdom of Arlathan would have its own possibilities plot wise.
Spoiler
The Dalish don't necessarily have to get their own territory all sorted out in this game, but I'd very much prefer it if it could be started here.
and because of the way DA is written, we will know the answer to this question about the same time we know if there is a Maker, where the darkspawn came from, ....which is to say never.
I sure as hell hope we know these by the end of the series.
What is it really, though, but a giant Alienage? Are human/elven relations supposed to improve with further isolation? How long do they get to legally "call the shots" before the surrounding nobility, or a ruler not as sympathetic as Celene, decides to take it all away?
No, its not a giant alienage. As the elves wouldn't be minimized in society and the areas they live in would be maintained. Hey, the pro elves are just as in favor of further isolation in wanting elven countries.
On the 2nd part you take just the same risk if you have an independent country. A small dalish country will only be independent until Orlais decides to take it back by your argument. At least this way it would still be part of Orlais, and Orlais would still benefit from it.
The Dalish don't necessarily have to get their own territory all sorted out in this game, but I'd very much prefer it if it could be started here.
I sure as hell hope we know these by the end of the series.
I doubt we will Xil. They are developing this as an IP and even when they stop making games for it, there is still the potential of P&P stuff which they spoke of a lot early on. I don't think we will ever get definitive answers to most of this because it will detract too much from the series. To be completely honest, I doubt there is an official canon position from bioware on most of these questions.
Let's give the Dales to the Chasind
Let's give the Dales to the Chasind
Yes! 
I doubt we will Xil. They are developing this as an IP and even when they stop making games for it, there is still the potential of P&P stuff which they spoke of a lot early on. I don't think we will ever get definitive answers to most of this because it will detract too much from the series. To be completely honest, I doubt there is an official canon position from bioware on most of these questions.
I would consider it utter treachery, or at the very minimum extreme cowardice, if these weren't revealed. I hate unsolvable mysteries and want to, eventually, be able to know everything important about the backstory there is to know, especially on fundamental issues like this.
I would consider it utter treachery, or at the very minimum extreme cowardice, if these weren't revealed. I hate unsolvable mysteries and want to, eventually, be able to know everything important about the backstory there is to know, especially on fundamental issues like this.
Just saying, if they are truly committed to developing it into something that rivals D&D or such, then it would not benefit them at all to answer these questions.
I would consider it utter treachery, or at the very minimum extreme cowardice, if these weren't revealed. I hate unsolvable mysteries and want to, eventually, be able to know everything important about the backstory there is to know, especially on fundamental issues like this.
Well, Bioware has stated years ago that they'll leave the Maker vague.
Retour en haut
