I would consider it utter treachery, or at the very minimum extreme cowardice, if these weren't revealed. I hate unsolvable mysteries and want to, eventually, be able to know everything important about the backstory there is to know, especially on fundamental issues like this.
And what if those answers goes against what you think?
I would consider it utter treachery, or at the very minimum extreme cowardice, if these weren't revealed. I hate unsolvable mysteries and want to, eventually, be able to know everything important about the backstory there is to know, especially on fundamental issues like this.
The mysteries should be revealed in a reasonable time frame. There's not much point in having mysteries that are only explained after such a long time that everyone has stopped caring about the answers.
And what if those answers goes against what you think?
Then the entire series is obviously a treacherous bigoted mess that Xil will strike down with the fury of ten thousand waifus.
Well, Bioware has stated years ago that they'll leave the Maker vague.
Said as much in the "Is there proof the maker exists thread."
Or rather this week's version of it.
I don't see why one clan - who engaged in behavior that contradicted the ethos of the Dalish and their prohibition against engaging with spirits - would represent the myriad of other Dalish clans out there.
Not to dig up an old argument Lob, but I found Felassan's explanation about the dalish and spirits quite interesting and different from the one Merril presented. Or at least different from how Merril's has been interpreted.
definitely doesn't sound like a prohibition against demons and spirits. Your thoughts?
What kind of animal can talk and tries to convince you to let it into your body so it can wear you like a suit?
Oh right, Parasites kinda do stuff like that. Forgot about them. Never mind.
No, its not a giant alienage. As the elves wouldn't be minimized in society and the areas they live in would be maintained. Hey, the pro elves are just as in favor of further isolation in wanting elven countries.
It is an Alienage though. Sure, it'll be as nice and clean as the elves make it, but it shares the same purpose, which is to spare humans from the utter insult of having elves exist within their proximity. And yes, I find it very amusing that the "pro-elves" think this is actually a good thing.
On the 2nd part you take just the same risk if you have an independent country. A small dalish country will only be independent until Orlais decides to take it back by your argument.
Right, because that's exactly my argument. An independent, racially homogenous country (especially if its carved from land that people are currently living on) solves nothing.
At least this way it would still be part of Orlais, and Orlais would still benefit from it.
How does Orlais benefit from it? In short-sighted sense that they have a new place where the elves can **** off to and not be a bother for the human population?
Do you think they'll still be smiling when they're drowning in elven immigrants pouring in from other countries?
What kind of animal can talk and tries to convince you to let it into your body so it can wear you like a suit?
Oh right. Parasites. Never mind.
Aww
Out of likes *gives Jensaari a hug in it's place*
It is an Alienage though. Sure, it'll be as nice and clean as the elves make it, but it shares the same purpose, which is to spare humans from the utter insult of having elves exist within their proximity. And yes, I find it very amusing that the "pro-elves" think this is actually a good thing.
How does Orlais benefit from it? In short-sighted sense that they have a new place where the elves can **** off to and not be a bother for the human population?
Do you think they'll still be smiling when they're drowning in elven immigrants pouring in from other countries?
It's not so much we see it as good, but we see it as better.
As for Orlais' benefits, well it is still a place they can tax and get soldiers in war time so there's two benefits.
Just saying, if they are truly committed to developing it into something that rivals D&D or such, then it would not benefit them at all to answer these questions.
I dearly hope they wouldn't be stupid enough to try that.
And what if those answers goes against what you think?
That's still better than not knowing.
Well, Bioware has stated years ago that they'll leave the Maker vague.
That's something, at least: it says that the Maker will be unimportant.
He's been dead for centuries. Gaspard has a real chance to save Orlais from the clutches of absolute annoyance!
Down with the weak Empress, Long live the Empire!
By being the baddest mother****** this side of the Deep Roads!
Check his wallet, it says "Bad mother******" right on the label.
If you search for "Bad motherfucker" on the dictionary, there'll be a picture of Gaspard in it.
Gaspard's the kind of myn who would save your sorry ass from an ogre or whatever and then be completely chill about it.
He'd let you have the last beer.
He always knows what channel the important games are on.
"To Bill Brasky!" Wait wrong joke.......
Let it be known that in the year of our lord two thousand and fourteen, The Church of Gaspard De Chalons was officially established.
And as establisher i of course become the pope.
._. i speak for Gaspard, so he may slay our enemies and offer us wine and smelly Orlesian cheeses.
While Gaspard is a compelling character, I at this point still don't favor him for emperor over Celene. Say what you wish about Gaspard's bravado and military accumen, that doesn't mean I want him running the country. I would love to have had a nice dinner with George Patton or Douglas McArthur and would have enjoyed myself greatly in their company. I wouldn't have wanted either of them within walking distance of the Oval Office. Celene has turned Orlais into the cultural capitol of Thedas in her 20 years on the throne and she is working very hard at pulling it out of many of its bigger issues as a society. I fear Gaspard would undue the cultural advances and that I cannot abide. A ruler should improve the country through more then military growth, I don't see Gaspard doing that.
BTW, on the subject of Celene, Gaspard, and Briala...Briala is by far the most Orlesian Noble of all three. She is far more cut throat and less hamstrung by thoughts of honor or fair play then either Celene or Gaspard.
Not to dig up an old argument Lob, but I found Felassan's explanation about the dalish and spirits quite interesting and different from the one Merril presented. Or at least different from how Merril's has been interpreted.
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definitely doesn't sound like a prohibition against demons and spirits. Your thoughts?
Which is odd in consideration of WoT reading that the Dalish avoid schools of magic that involve spirits because they view all spirits as dangerous. With Felassan implying that the Dalish view some spirits as beneficial, it's going against the religious discussions between Merrill and Anders, as well as WoT addressing the Dalish prohibition against dealing with spirits.
I dearly hope they wouldn't be stupid enough to try that.
That's still better than not knowing.
That's something, at least: it says that the Maker will be unimportant.
They stated when they first created DA that they wanted to make their own IP so they didn't have to get approval for things in the world like they did with BG and that they would like to see the IP grow into more then a video game concept. Hence they have released stuff of Pen and Paper gaming.
That may no longer be the plan, but it was the stated plan early on.
Which is odd in consideration of WoT reading that the Dalish avoid schools of magic that involve spirits because they view all spirits as dangerous. With Felassan implying that the Dalish view some spirits as beneficial, it's going against the religious discussions between Merrill and Anders, as well as WoT addressing the Dalish prohibition against dealing with spirits.
Not really odd considering Merril was just one Dalish, not to mention not in agreement with a lot of things the Dalish Believed. And Wot only clarified they viewed all Spirits as Dangerous, not that they prohibited contact, dealing with or whatever. After all, You are always saying Individuals have individual beliefs and here is a Dalish that no longer identifies himself as Dalish has a differing view of Demons.
Amazing.
Which is odd in consideration of WoT reading that the Dalish avoid schools of magic that involve spirits because they view all spirits as dangerous. With Felassan implying that the Dalish view some spirits as beneficial, it's going against the religious discussions between Merrill and Anders, as well as WoT addressing the Dalish prohibition against dealing with spirits.
That or maybe the upper echelon of the Arlathan elves didn't want the commoner elven mages getting that power. 
Which is odd in consideration of WoT reading that the Dalish avoid schools of magic that involve spirits because they view all spirits as dangerous. With Felassan implying that the Dalish view some spirits as beneficial, it's going against the religious discussions between Merrill and Anders, as well as WoT addressing the Dalish prohibition against dealing with spirits.
That is why it piqued my interest. I like his retort about it not being wrong, but agreeing that it could be called stupid.
The rest of that discussion actually interests me a great deal more.
Not really odd considering Merril was just one Dalish, not to mention not in agreement with a lot of things the Dalish Believed. And Wot only clarified they viewed all Spirits as Dangerous, not that they prohibited contact, dealing with or whatever. After all, You are always saying Individuals have individual beliefs and here is a Dalish that no longer identifies himself as Dalish has a differing view of Demons.
Amazing.
No, he isn't speaking of his beliefs--he is explaining the Dalish belief on dealing with demons as was Merril. It is entirely possible that as Felassan also mentions the degree to which the seperation of the clans has caused them to grow in extremely different directions from each other, that not all clans even still hold the same beliefs. Just suppositions.
That or maybe the upper echelon of the Arlathan elves didn't want the commoner elven mages getting that power.
We're talking about the Dalish, not Arlathan.
We're talking about the Dalish, not Arlathan.
Ancient Dalish work too.
It's not so much we see it as good, but we see it as better.
It's a total hoax, a bunch of hollow placation (not saying wcholcombe's suggestion is, but the establishment of such a place certainly would be).
You're chasing after a little doggy treat that someone has tossed, only realizing too late that they've locked the kennel door behind you.
They stated when they first created DA that they wanted to make their own IP so they didn't have to get approval for things in the world like they did with BG and that they would like to see the IP grow into more then a video game concept. Hence they have released stuff of Pen and Paper gaming.
That may no longer be the plan, but it was the stated plan early on.
I had that RPG, but it went absolutely nowhere and I think they dropped it.
It's a total hoax, a bunch of hollow placation (not saying wcholcombe's suggestion is, but the establishment of such a place certainly would be).
You're chasing after a little doggy treat that someone has tossed, only realizing too late that they've locked the kennel door behind you.
So you're telling me if you were a City Elf and this was offered, you wouldn't take it and stay in the old slums?
That is why it piqued my interest. I like his retort about it not being wrong, but agreeing that it could be called stupid.
The rest of that discussion actually interests me a great deal more.
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It just doesn't make sense to me. As for the WoT mention about Dalish and spirits, "Unlike other spellcasters, Dalish mages do not use any magic involving spirits, as they believe all spirits are dangerous." (page 104) It follows the same line of thought that's expressed by Merrill, who says all spirits are dangerous, and chastises Anders by saying there's no such thing as a good spirit.
So you're telling me if you were a City Elf and this was offered, you wouldn't take it and stay in the old slums?
By all means, I would probably jump at the chance, and be ready to move within the hour. Which is, of course, exactly what they would want.
Ancient Dalish work too.
The Dalish are the remnants of the independent kingdom of the Dales, while the Arlathan elves were the inhabitants of the kingdom of the ancient elven nation of Arlathan; there's a clear difference between the two.
Getting back to the actual line of discussion, it would be a shame if the uniqueness of the Dalish view of all spirits being dangerous was diluted to make it a mirror image of the Andrastian view of Spirits and Demons.
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