If it benefited the Empire, He would.
That's the thing about Gaspard.
He is like Loghain in so far as he puts his Nation and his ideals of its place in the world above near everything, Including in later chapters as TME revealed, his own honor.
It wouldn't though. Even in its best implementation, it would be a threat to both short and long-term stability, which is why he wouldn't.
It wouldn't though. Even in its best implementation, it would be a threat to both short and long-term stability, which is why he wouldn't.
I was just offering perspective, if it magically somehow benefited Orlais.
He would seriously consider it.
But for it's own sake? No.
Having a mutual cousin hardly makes it incest.....
Indeed. In fact, I think that separation of second cousins is still legal today, though it is the bare minimum.
I don't see it as ignorance, but rather a cultural difference in the perception of the denizens of the Beyond. It's not as though Merrill is lacking in her proficiency because she's Dalish: Merrill is able to discern the nature of the Profane Abomination in the primeval thaig. When encountering Torpor, Merrill immediately identifies it as a creature of Sloth.
You have to admit that Merrill is not the best example of the common Dalish curriculum. You have pointed out several times how exceptional is her knowledge of the eluvians. Since to work in the eluvian she had to deal (not "make deals", mind you) with a demon, it makes sense she investigated more about the subject. Her knowledge in this regard was still inferior to Anders' and in Night Terrors she could be taken in easily by Wryme. Of course, that coud be because she was still a First, an apprentice.
But this is just wild mass guessing. For all we know, a Dalish clan may have a library worth of demonology books. Also thinking too much to find coherent explanations for stupid and disastrous mistakes.
Indeed. In fact, I think that separation of second cousins is still legal today, though it is the bare minimum.
That varies from country to country and state to state. Where I live it's second cousins at the minimum, in some of the other states it's first cousins and so on and so forth.
I was just offering perspective, if it magically somehow benefited Orlais.
He would seriously consider it.
But for it's own sake? No.
I mean, unlike an independent Dales, it's not even much of a stretch to justify how a place of learning like the university might benefit Orlais, but he talks a mighty amount of poo-poo on that. It's not really as objective as what could benefit the empire, but more what would benefit the empire according to Gaspard.
You have to admit that Merrill is not the best example of the common Dalish curriculum. You have pointed out several times how exceptional is her knowledge of the eluvians. Since to work in the eluvian she had to deal (not "make deals", mind you) with a demon, it makes sense she investigated more about the subject. Her knowledge in this regard was still inferior to Anders' and in Night Terrors she could be taken in easily by Wryme. Of course, that coud be because she was still a First, an apprentice.
But this is just wild mass guessing. For all we know, a Dalish clan may have a library worth of demonology books.
I'd say culturally different, given the emphasis on Spirits and Demons being the Children of the Maker in the codex entries written by Andrastians, which isn't likely to be shared by a Dalish elf who believes in the Creators.
Also, everyone is easily taken by Caress and Wryme; it isn't much of a reflection of anyone because all of the companions betray Hawke in a matter of seconds. It's like condemning Cullen because he handwaves the Champion's warning about Anders' plot against the Kirkwall Chantry.
I mean, unlike an independent Dales, it's not even much of a stretch to justify how a place of learning like the university might benefit Orlais, but he talks a mighty amount of poo-poo on that. It's not really as objective as what could benefit the empire, but more what would benefit the empire according to Gaspard.
Well, He does have a point, it Denationalizes the Orlesian Identity.
Ah, ok. I thought you'd be the resistant elf or something.
The point with this is that the City Elves can advance past this step at a later date. It's much easier to acheive equality when taking baby steps rather than shoving foward. We only need to look at the Mage situation to see how that kind of thinking will lead.
The mage situation could still end well.
Which is why it is a shame, from a national perspective, that Celene put her personal desires ahead of her nation when Gaspard pressed his suit for marriage. Their arguments would have been legendary, no doubt, but if they managed to forge an accord, they would have completed the gaps in each other's ability to rule that would have been almost unstoppable.
That is not something I think I'll push for. If anything, I'll try to reunite Celene and Briala.
The mage situation could still end well.
I'm referring to how pushing for something aggressively led to war.
I'm referring to how pushing for something aggressively led to war.
A war that may well have been necessary.
A war that may well have been necessary.
I doubt a strongly worded letter would have sufficed.
A war that may well have been necessary.
We'll see. All we know is that a lot of innocent people are going to be caught in the crossfire.
We'll see. All we know is that a lot of innocent people are going to be caught in the crossfire.
A lot of innocent people have been caught in the crossfire for almost a thousand years. It's time to end this.
A lot of innocent people have been caught in the crossfire for almost a thousand years. It's time to end this.
So to answer that, you raise the number of innocents caught in the crossfire exponentially?
We'll see. All we know is that a lot of innocent people are going to be caught in the crossfire.
It's like i said about the Mage Tranquility cure.
How Many lives is it worth to return a mage to their power?
How lives is it worth to grant them "freedom" magically?
Ultimately this war is about the ego of a few, costing the lives of dozens, hundreds or thousands.
That is not something I think I'll push for. If anything, I'll try to reunite Celene and Briala.
You think Briala would forgive Celene?
So to answer that, you raise the number of innocents caught in the crossfire exponentially?
Remember whom you are discussing this with.
Collateral damage will make it easier for the Imperium to re-enslave the rest of Thedas.
So to answer that, you raise the number of innocents caught in the crossfire exponentially?
So you think an entire people should suffer for another millennia because war causes casualties?
So to answer that, you raise the number of innocents caught in the crossfire exponentially?
But for a far shorter period of time. The net number of innocents killed will be lower than if this was allowed to go on unchallenged for much longer.
I don't think it can be said that war is never worth it.
You think Briala would forgive Celene?
I think it's possible.
Well, He does have a point, it Denationalizes the Orlesian Identity.
It makes the traditionalist nobles feel uncomfortable.
I shed a tear.
So you think an entire people should suffer for another millennia because war causes casualties?
If you're referring to the Circle system, yes I agree it needs some changes. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about how many people will die for it.
I'm sorry, I didn't mean you. I was talking about some of the people in this thread who seem to feel like the Dalish are automatic antagonists to the elves living under human rule. I just don't get it.
What's not to get? The Dalish consistently look upon their "flat-eared" cousins with contempt, and their stated goal is to teach them how to be proper elves.
If you're referring to the Circle system, yes I agree it needs some changes. Doesn't mean I have to be happy about how many people will die for it.
Happiness isn't the issue. It's necessary for them to fight for a better future, instead of accepting the fate that has been mandated to them for almost a thousand years.
But for a far shorter period of time. The net number of innocents killed will be lower than if this was allowed to go on unchallenged for much longer.
I don't think it can be said that war is never worth it.
"War is one of many diplomatic methods. However it is the most inefficient one." - Bismark Waldstein from Code Geass
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