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[DontWakeTheBear]

Indeed. Otherwise, I have no freakin clue how the Arlathan elves could have lost like they did.

"Before the ages were named or numbered, our people were glorious and eternal and never-changing. Like the great oak tree, they were constant in their traditions, strong in their roots, and ever reaching for the sky.

 

They felt no need to rush when life was endless. They worshiped their gods for months at a time. Decisions came after decades of debate, and an introduction could last for years. From time to time, our ancestors would drift into centuries-long slumber, but this was not death, for we know they wandered the Fade in dreams.

 

In those ages, our people called all the land Elvhenan, which in the old language means "place of our people." And at the center of the world stood the great city of Arlathan, a place of knowledge and debate, where the best of the ancient elves would go to trade knowledge, greet old friends, and settle disputes that had gone on for millennia."

 

Taken from the Arlathan codex entry, sounds to me like they enjoyed talking and debate a bit too much. When you have an eternity to do something it's hard to rouse an immediate decision, and even the greatest army's can lose if they never pick up their weapons to fight.

[Xilizhra]

Actually 6 years, but thank you for reminding me. That means that you can't just use it as a mass transport that easily. There has to be a drawback.

Not necessarily. It's possible that certain aspects of blood magic can screw with the Veil in a given area so that one can't safely emerge there, so the Imperial forces could have shielded themselves with that.

[Steelcan]

Well, that'd make the Dalish army quite a resource to gain for the Inquisition, yes?

 

They same people-who have no clue what to do with all their ancient tech/magic stuff?

[Xilizhra]

They same people-who have no clue what to do with all their ancient tech/magic stuff?

Once they all know how to use the Eluvians, of course. Which, if certain circumstances are still accurate, shouldn't take too long.

[Nyeredzi]

http://blog.bioware....exalted-plains/

 

Based on this blurb, it appears that the Orlesian Civil War will at least partially be fought in the middle of the Dales.  I wonder how that will effect any elven gatherings going on during DA:I, and how willing the Dalish will be to risk uniting the entire might of Orlais in the heart of the land the elves hope one day to reclaim.

I bet you either ways, we are going to be re-killing a lot of walking corpses... a LOT

[Steelcan]

Once they all know how to use the Eluvians, of course. Which, if certain circumstances are still accurate, shouldn't take too long.

 

Sure and why don't we go ahead and just teach all human soldiers to be berserkers so we can kill the elves before that happens?

[LobselVith8]

And I thought that based on the concluding chapters of a ME book that Cerberus was going to be an on the ropes organization with little infrastructure and no ability to put forces in the field.

 

Don't trust the book endings to guide the game's story

 

That's not quite how I'd put it. Some of us are interested in the elves having their own storyline and viewpoint. Some of us also have an interest in helping the elves, rather than Celene or Gaspard.

[MisterJB]

Indeed. Otherwise, I have no freakin clue how the Arlathan elves could have lost like they did.

Exactly. They expect us to believe a nascent human empire could defeat an extablished elven one; even if elves are the biggest pansies in Thedas; when they had multiples of these "I win" buttons at their disposal? They had mages who could fry people in their rooms from miles away and they lost? No way!

Either Lob misunderstood something, or we're not seeing the whole picture or whoever wrote this didn't think things through.

[Steelcan]

That's not quite how I'd put it. Some of us are interested in the elves having their own storyline and viewpoint. Some of us also have an interest in helping the elves, rather than Celene or Gaspard.

 

And some of us were interested in helping Cerberus over Anderson or Hackett

[Hellion Rex]

Not necessarily. It's possible that certain aspects of blood magic can screw with the Veil in a given area so that one can't safely emerge there, so the Imperial forces could have shielded themselves with that.

So many possibilities...maybe blood magic does have the capability to screw with their teleportation abilities.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

That's not quite how I'd put it. Some of us are interested in the elves having their own storyline and viewpoint. Some of us also have an interest in helping the elves, rather than Celene or Gaspard.

Depends whose leading the elves for me. I'm not going to have them trade one master for another. 

[Hellion Rex]

Exactly. They expect us to believe a nascent human empire could defeat an extablished elven one; even if elves are the biggest pansies in Thedas; when they had multiples of these "I win" buttons at their disposal?

Either Lob misunderstood something, or we're not seeing the whole picture or whoever wrote this didn't think things through.

If there is a major drawback, it's gonna hit the Dalish pretty badly in DAI, I believe.

[LobselVith8]

And some of us were interested in helping Cerberus over Anderson or Hackett

 

ME isn't the same as DA.

[Master Warder Z_]

Sure and why don't we go ahead and just teach all human soldiers to be berserkers so we can kill the elves before that happens?

 

Beserkers are a rarity outside of the Dwarven Halls, only a handful of Human groups have access to their teachings, and even among the Dwarves they are a rarity valued as high damage inflicting shock troops.

 

[Hellion Rex]

Maybe the use of eluvians rips the Veil?

[Steelcan]

ME isn't the same as DA.

 

You're right, it has an even greater propensity for dropping priorly established events

[Hellion Rex]

Also, is the reverse possible? Recalling things that were sent through the mirror?

[Master Warder Z_]

That's not quite how I'd put it. Some of us are interested in the elves having their own storyline and viewpoint. Some of us also have an interest in helping the elves, rather than Celene or Gaspard.

 

His point was valid though, Just because a theme or concept is espoused in a novel don't automatically expect it to translate to the games.

 

After all, Retribution TIM: Wanted to work with Shepard in the future, ME 3 TIM wanted to hamper shepard's actions at every turn, you know despite the novel taking place less then eight months from ME 3.

[Master Warder Z_]

You're right, it has an even greater propensity for dropping priorly established events

 

That too

[Steelcan]

Beserkers are a rarity outside of the Dwarven Halls, only a handful of Human groups have access to their teachings, and even among the Dwarves they are a rarity valued as high damage inflicting shock troops.

 

And they are still much much much more common than Eluvians, but we will be able to teach the Dalish (who are technophobic of said items) how to use them to crush their human oppressors

[Hanako Ikezawa]

His point was valid though, Just because a theme or concept is espoused in a novel don't automatically expect it to translate to the games.

 

After all, Retribution TIM: Wanted to work with Shepard in the future, ME 3 TIM wanted to hamper shepard's actions at every turn, you know despite the novel taking place less then eight months from ME 3.

Indoctrination is a jerk like that. 

[umadcommander]

if the dalish were willing to put aside their hatred and cease being glorified bandits i would certainly consider helping them in return, as it is though they have done little to convince me they deserve it, the elves in the cities are far more worthy of respect

[LobselVith8]

Depends whose leading the elves for me. I'm not going to have them trade one master for another. 

 

Between the templars pursuing the Dalish and their religion being criminalized, and the elves of the human cities being victim to persecution and purges en mass against the populace, I'm not seeing why the status quo should be maintained. With an independent Dales, there's a possibility of a homeland for elves everywhere, free from religious persecution and mass killings against the populace for protesting their living conditions. I think that's a worthy goal.

[Steelcan]

Indoctrination is a jerk like that. 

 

Exactly, the writers for the game went 'lol screw the book, let's do our own thing'

[Master Warder Z_]

Exactly, the writers for the game went 'lol screw the book, let's do our own thing'

 

Yup.