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[AresKeith]

[LobselVith8]

Would they hold that so close to Orlais, though? Or does it traditionally take place in the Dales?

 

It was said that there would be a gathering of the clans in Halamshiral.

[TK514]

when you say part of the game is taking place in the dales, which is literally crawling with dalish, it is kind of hard not to have a dalish story in here

 

Yeah, uh, about that...  There are actually very few Dalish in the Dales.  I guess they took that whole 'leave or die' thing back in the day pretty seriously, and high-tailed it, rarely to return and only for short periods.

[Hellion Rex]

It was said that there would be a gathering of the clans in Halamshiral.

Jesus, that sounds like a bad place, considering that is Celene's main base of operations at the moment.

[Hellion Rex]

"The Plains are now a contested battleground in the Orlesian civil war. Soldiers fight and die here in vast numbers."

[TK514]

It was said that there would be a gathering of the clans in Halamshiral.

 

Yeah, and they said there was a permanent Dalish settlement in Llomerryn, then DA2 came out.

 

Things change, and given the events in TME, I doubt anyone currently would be overly inclined to tolerate a group of armed bandits having a camp-out near Halamshiral.

[LobselVith8]

When I asked for how pro-elves were planning to create an independent elve state, I was hoping for some realistic strategies.

Not just hoping that the game will allow you to unite your factions of choice and have the Inquisition help them.

Some suggestions on how to use the Eluvians to actually achieve some results benefitial to the elves would have been wonderful.

 

You asked a fairly open question, and only now are you asking for specific replies. Next time, I suggest you clarify what you'd like in response. Then again, since you and I want the exact opposite from Inquisition, I don't really think it would've made much of a difference.

 

Maybe you'd be better suited to having these discussions with Eluvianix, who may share your point of view on these matters?

 

I doubt Briala will be an ally. She stated her plans are to prolong the conflict so as to give the elves time.

It just so happens we have been told the Inquisition's purpose is to restore order. Maybe the reason they didn't give us an option to play as an CE is because Briala will be one of the Agents of Chaos.

Wouldn't that be a sight?

 

I don't see why Briala wanting to help the elves free themselves should make her an antagonist.

[The Elder King]

I doubt Briala will be an ally. She stated her plans are to prolong the conflict so as to give the elves time.
It just so happens we have been told the Inquisition's purpose is to restore order. Maybe the reason they didn't give us an option to play as an CE is because Briala will be one of the Agents of Chaos.
Wouldn't that be a sight?

I think that were giving too much importance to the 'agents of chaos' phrase.
Though it's possible that Briala might be an antagonist, as it'd possible that we might not have a choice between Celene and Gaspard (which I hope we'll have).

[The Elder King]

You asked a fairly open question, and only now are you asking for specific replies. Next time, I suggest you clarify what you'd like in response. Then again, since you and I want the exact opposite from Inquisition, I don't really think it would've made much of a difference.
 
Maybe you'd be better suited to having these discussions with Eluvianix, who may share your point of view on these matters?
 

 
I don't see why Briala wanting to help the elves free themselves should make her an antagonist.

It depends on what the plot of the OCW is about in DAI. It might be that we'll have to restore order by stopping Briala which might prevent the end of the war (as she said) and choose a ruler (or even forced to support one).
I doubt it'd happen, but it's a possibility.

[Hellion Rex]

I doubt Briala will be an ally. She stated her plans are to prolong the conflict so as to give the elves time.

It just so happens we have been told the Inquisition's purpose is to restore order. Maybe the reason they didn't give us an option to play as an CE is because Briala will be one of the Agents of Chaos.

Wouldn't that be a sight?

I doubt it. You're stretching a bit much, JB. I think she is a third force, in between Celene and Gaspard, but not an agent of Chaos. That being said, the only possible candidates I see for Agents of Chaos are Imshael, Felassan's boss, and maybe Corypheus at this point.

[LobselVith8]

It depends on what the plot of the OCW is about in DAI. It might be that we'll have to restore order by stopping Briala which might prevent the end of the war (as she said) and choose a ruler (or even forced to support one).
I doubt it'd happen, but it's a possibility.

 

So is Briala serving as an alternative to Celene and Gaspard. Anything is possible at this point.

[The Elder King]

I doubt it. You're stretching a bit much, JB. I think she is a third force, in between Celene and Gaspard, but not an agent of Chaos. That being said, the only possible candidates I see for Agents of Chaos are Imshael, Felassan's boss, and maybe Corypheus at this point.

I'd say the leader of the Red templars might be one (either an agent of chaos, if the phrase means something, or a main antagonist).

[The Elder King]

So is Briala serving as an alternative to Celene and Gaspard. Anything is possible at this point.

I know. I was just explaining MisterJB's point. Depending on how the OCW plot works Briala can be an antagonist.
As I said, I doubt it'll be like this though.

[Steelcan]

I know. I was just explaining MisterJB's point. Depending on how the OCW plot works Briala can be an antagonist.
As I said, I doubt it'll be like this though.

I don't, I'm pretty sure that's what we will end up with

[MisterJB]

You asked a fairly open question, and only now are you asking for specific replies. Next time, I suggest you clarify what you'd like in response. Then again, since you and I want the exact opposite from Inquisition, I don't really think it would've made much of a difference.

 

Maybe you'd be better suited to having these discussions with Eluvianix, who may share your point of view on these matters?

 

We don't need similar viewpoint in order to argue something. We do need to use arguments the other can adress.

 

I don't see why Briala wanting to help the elves free themselves should make her an antagonist.

It depends on the purpose of the Inquisition. If our purpose is to restore order, then someone who wants the war to continue (Briala) would be an enemy.

Of course, the devs might give the Inquisition as entirely different purpose. We'll see.

[AresKeith]

I'd say the leader of the Red templars might be one (either an agent of chaos, if the phrase means something, or a main antagonist).

 

Man I hope there's more than one Big Bad behind the veil tear 

[LobselVith8]

I know. I was just explaining MisterJB's point. Depending on how the OCW plot works Briala can be an antagonist.
As I said, I doubt it'll be like this though.

 

I just don't see Briala's actions as villainous like MisterJB does, given the current situation for the elves living under human rule, including the elves who die because of the informal initiation rite of the chevaliers.

[MisterJB]

I'm hoping that Felassan's boss is either Morrigan or an Warden that traveled with her through the mirror.

However, it's probably more likely to be Flemeth or the Dread Wolf

[EmperorSahlertz]

But why was it even active in the Brecilian Forest, when the rest of the network was still shut down?

The network was never shut down, but most Eluvians seems to remain inactive. Why the one in these ruins were active.. Who knows? Either it was enver turned off, or maybe someone else passed through before the Elves and activated it.

[The Elder King]

I'm hoping that Felassan's boss is either Morrigan or an Warden that traveled with her through the mirror.
However, it's probably more likely to be Flemeth or the Dread Wolf

Man I hope there's more than one Big Bad behind the veil tear

A group of antagonists working together would be great.

I just don't see Briala's actions as villainous like MisterJB does, given the current situation for the elves living under human rule, including the elves who die because of the informal initiation rite of the chevaliers.

I didn't interpret JB's post that way. Briala's actions of prolonging the war might go against the Inquisition if one of our goal would be to restore order and end the OCW. It depends on how Bioware wrote the plot.

[dragondreamer]

Merrill built her own Eluvian based on lore she gathered and information she extrapolated from a shard she took in Ferelden. She incorporated the shard into the construction of the elven mirror she built.

 

 

The Eluvian in the Elven Ruins was shattered, and pieces of it remain in "Witch Hunt", having infected a number of elves, and Finn utilizes one for the blood magic ritual in locating the Eluvian in the Dragonbone Wastes. Tevinter utilized the Eluvians after enslaving the Arlathan elves, so it's understandable why Duncan would make that mistake (as Potato Cat pointed out).

 

Ah, thanks for the clarification (Merrill somehow lugging that big mirror all the way to Kirkwall was always a strange image that bugged me   ).  And it's been a while since I've played Witch Hunt, so I forgot those details too.

 

All the talk about the eluvians and then Sundermount got me to thinking that I'd always wondered if the eluvian potentially had a connection to some of the oddness up there, and I wanted to be clear about where it was originally located.  But even if we don't have an original eluvian pinpointed in the area, some of the new info has me reflecting on some of the Sundermount lore.  If you take Fenris along when you take Merrill on her last quest, he talks a little about how the elves of Arlathan made their last stand on Sundermount, and how a hugely powerful demon was unleashed in the fighting that mowed down both sides.  Apparently it isn't known who summoned the demon, but given some of the hugely nasty things that can potentially come out of an eluvian, I've wondered if that might have been a last desperate act from the elves. 

[MisterJB]

I just don't see Briala's actions as villainous like MisterJB does, given the current situation for the elves living under human rule, including the elves who die because of the informal initiation rite of the chevaliers.

Oh, I'm not claiming they are villainous. Antagonism is not the same as villainy.

What I said was that the Devs have stated before that the Inquisition will be hunting the Agents of Chaos. the civil war will, most likely, be considered a symptom of chaos which means that someone like Briala, who wishes to prolong it from behind the scenes, might stand against the Inquisition.

[The Elder King]

I'm hoping that Felassan's boss is either Morrigan or an Warden that traveled with her through the mirror.
However, it's probably more likely to be Flemeth or the Dread Wolf

I'd bet on Fen'harel over Flemeth or Morrigan.

[Xilizhra]

Oh, I'm not claiming they are villainous. Antagonism is not the same as villainy.

What I said was that the Devs have stated before that the Inquisition will be hunting the Agents of Chaos. the civil war will, most likely, be considered a symptom of chaos which means that someone like Briala, who wishes to prolong it from behind the scenes, might stand against the Inquisition.

There's no reason why the Inquisition couldn't end the war in a manner favorable to her.

 

 

I'd bet on Fen'harel over Flemeth or Morrigan.

Assuming that Flemeth and Fen'Harel aren't the same person.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm hoping that Felassan's boss is either Morrigan or an Warden that traveled with her through the mirror.

However, it's probably more likely to be Flemeth or the Dread Wolf

I doubt it. The way Felassan was killed in the Fade doesn't seem to be like the Warden or Morrigan. Have you read that final scene yet?