I think that MisterJB's point is that she doesn't seem to want to end the war soon. And we might need to.There's no reason why the Inquisition couldn't end the war in a manner favorable to her.
Assuming that Flemeth and Fen'Harel aren't the same person.
I think that MisterJB's point is that she doesn't seem to want to end the war soon. And we might need to.
On Flemeth, I don't think she's Fen'harel, but I don't know enough to be sure.
Neither of the Orlesian nobles are willing to give terms satisfying enough for her. With the Inquisition's... influence, they might well.
Possibly, yes.Neither of the Orlesian nobles are willing to give terms satisfying enough for her. With the Inquisition's... influence, they might well.
Given that we will have or develop some way to close Veil tears, I wonder if the technique will have any effect on an eluvian.
Aside from the elven PC being Dalish, the mention of the Arlathvhen being in Halamshiral was like a big foreshadowing hammer. There may not be a lot of Dalish living in the Dales, but it sounds like they'll be visiting soon. I'd be very surprised if the Dalish had nothing to do with the plot.
If the Arlathvhen is present it'd likely the related to the dalish plot. The problem is that we don know if Bioware changed their minds about it.Aside from the elven PC being Dalish, the mention of the Arlathvhen being in Halamshiral was like a big foreshadowing hammer. There may not be a lot of Dalish living in the Dales, but it sounds like they'll be visiting soon. I'd be very surprised if the Dalish had nothing to do with the plot.
Oh, I'm not claiming they are villainous. Antagonism is not the same as villainy.
You claimed Briala might be an "Agent of Chaos", which is what I addressed.
What I said was that the Devs have stated before that the Inquisition will be hunting the Agents of Chaos. the civil war will, most likely, be considered a symptom of chaos which means that someone like Briala, who wishes to prolong it from behind the scenes, might stand against the Inquisition.
Except Briala wants to end the plight of the elves in an empire where chevaliers murder elves in the Alienage as part of their informal initiation rite, and where purges against elven populations take place. Taking advantage of the situation to prevent the status quo from continuing so the elves can gain rights is something that I want to support, not oppose to perpetuate Orlesian villainy.
Given that we will have or develop some way to close Veil tears, I wonder if the technique will have any effect on an eluvian.
Perhaps the two are connected. Maybe our ability to close the Veil could perhaps close doorways made by eluvians.
We might not need Morrigan after all...
Hard numbers? Not really. The lore is deliberately sparse with hard numbers, which is actually a good thing because it keeps numbers from contradicting. The ME universe choked on its numeric attempts. Gameplay and story/lore segregation is also at work: counting enemies in battle is silly due to the enemy exageration, counting people on the ground you can reach is obviously too low, and most of the setting is never visible in the first place. Even when it is, like the Ferelden Circle, gameplay versus 'reality' steeps in: the Circle Tower we climb in Ferelden makes little sense as a literal building. Think of it as the counting toilets phenomenum in video game architecture- how often do you see an appropriate number of toilets in settings you know toilets are supposed to be?
I would have extremely low confidence in any counting approach outside of a cutscene context (which are intended to give a sense of scale, not absolutes). The best we can get is to try to estimate scale of context and magnitudes and compare to things we do know better.
For example, we know (from being there) that the Kirkwall Annullment was pretty much carried out over a single night. The battle itself? Maybe a few hours, if that. That very much speaks to a smaller mage population in the hundreds, not thousands. (Which fits our narrative cutscene perspective of defenders grouped in the tens.)
About the only number I can recall is Anders claim that a dozen mages were Tranquilized in Kirkwall in a year. Mind you, this was Kirkwall, when Alrik was active, Anders claim is already loaded with hyperbole, and it makes no distinction between Anders claimed motivation (punishing dissent) and 'legitimate' motivations (First Enchanter sign off, voluntary Tranquility, etc).
We know that all the mages who made it to Andoral's reach which was supposed to be most of the Chantry circle was only several hundred mages.
If the Arlathvhen is present it'd likely the related to the dalish plot. The problem is that we don know if Bioware changed their minds about it.
It certainly would begin to add pieces to the puzzle if nothing else.
i mean TME gives plausible cause, motive and culprits.
Then again this is Bioware...
I doubt it. The way Felassan was killed in the Fade doesn't seem to be like the Warden or Morrigan. Have you read that final scene yet?
Yes. He goes to the Fade knowing he will die. His boss approaches from behind him, he explains that he is not going to take the Eluvias from Briala, that there is no harm in letting her try and that she remind him of someone. Then, we're told he never heard the blow that killed him.
This could mean anything from a lighting bolt that burned through his chest, to a fireballs powerful enough to incinerate him in a second, to a sword strike that took his head off, to a blow with a mace to even having his head removed by the paw of a wolf.
From that, it could be anyone. What we do know is that his boss wanted the Eluvian. This reduces the list of suspect to either someone we don't yet know about; such as Fen'harel; to those we know have knowledge about the Eluvians. Morrigan, the Warden, Flemeth, the Formless One.
Even the dwarven Warden was sent to the Fade at least twice, thus I'm hoping it either was Morrigan or a Warden that traveled with her through the Eluvian.
You claimed Briala might be an "Agent of Chaos", which is what I addressed.
And chaos is not an synonim of evil
Except Briala wants to end the plight of the elves in an empire where chevaliers murder elves in the Alienage as part of their informal initiation rite, and where purges against elven populations take place. Taking advantage of the situation to prevent the status quo from continuing so the elves can gain rights is something that I want to support, not oppose to perpetuate Orlesian villainy.
Bioware might not give you the option, or it might but you'll still have to stop Briala. I'm not saying she'll be an antagonist for sure, only that it's possible.
You claimed Briala might be an "Agent of Chaos", which is what I addressed.
And chaos is not an synonim of evil
Except Briala wants to end the plight of the elves in an empire where chevaliers murder elves in the Alienage as part of their informal initiation rite, and where purges against elven populations take place. Taking advantage of the situation to prevent the status quo from continuing so the elves can gain rights is something that I want to support, not oppose to perpetuate Orlesian villainy.
Bioware might not give you the option, or it might but you'll still have to stop Briala. I'm not saying she'll be an antagonist for sure, only that it's possible.
It seems quite plausible to me.
I mean like i said though, this is Bioware.
They could come out of left field with an antagonist, who knows.
Merrill built her own Eluvian, so I don't see why she would necessarily need an activation phrase. It's not as though this was one of the original Eluvians of Arlathan; she literally constructed her own.
Well considering all she did was build the mirror, I will now believe it didn't do anything because the world connecting it to the eluvian matrix doesn't exist. It is like a cable box that isn't connected to anything.
To be honest instead supporting someone i would like chose my own side like in F:NV so i would like to fourth option as well
I don't see the inquisition ruling Orlais as an option.
Well considering all she did was build the mirror, I will now believe it didn't do anything because the world connecting it to the eluvian matrix doesn't exist. It is like a cable box that isn't connected to anything.
Might be like someone from a post-apocalyptic society that got sent back to the stone age trying to rebuild a television and wondering why magic pictures don't appear even when it's put together correctly.
so whats the reason i couldnt make it work? fox news was on back then.... i think
Frankly, I'd rather not see the elven storyline marginalized for a human plotline. I don't see the implausibility of the elves achieving a victory in the Dales when our own history has numerous examples of this being entirely plausible.
One issue I would have concern about regarding this is that in Masked empire, Fellassan says that few Dalish actually live in the Dales. As we know we won't be venturing out of Ferelden or Orlais, I don't see the Dales being a focus for the dalish.
Briala is aiming to get people to work with her for the goal of setting the elves free, even by using the civil war to that end. We also have precedents in our own history of guerrilla fighters achieving victory over larger forces, and even slave rebellions that lead to independence for the region.
That's because the clan in the book doesn't even respect the ethos of the Dalish, like the prohibition against dealing with spirits mentioned in World of Thedas: "Unlike other spellcasters, Dalish mages do not use any magic involving spirits, as they believe all spirits are dangerous." (page 104) Bringing up a clan that isn't typical of standard Dalish behavior will, of course, lead me to point out that it's disingenuous to paint them as an example of how the Dalish will response.
Briala is going for the "Elves of Orlais", she says she will take help from the Dalish but they will have to come asking, she won't seek them out.
Felassan also makes it quite clear that the Dalish themselves don't agree with the way we have interpreted the meaning of WoT and Merril on demons and spirits. So either we misinterpreted, or it has been retconned. Because while Fel says you could call it stupid, he makes it very clear there is nothing wrong with the Dalish dealing with spirits.
One issue I would have concern about regarding this is that in Masked empire, Fellassan says that few Dalish actually live in the Dales. As we know we won't be venturing out of Ferelden or Orlais, I don't see the Dales being a focus for the dalish.
We'll need to hook the Dalish PC with something. Why not this? Unless it'll be Arlathan, and I don't think we're in its vicinity.
Felassan also makes it quite clear that the Dalish themselves don't agree with the way we have interpreted the meaning of WoT and Merril on demons and spirits. So either we misinterpreted, or it has been retconned. Because while Fel says you could call it stupid, he makes it very clear there is nothing wrong with the Dalish dealing with spirits.
Yes, it is. Gracias. It looks reminiscent of the pictures of the Exalted Plains.
The Arlathvhen may be taking place now, since it was mentioned previously that the clans would be gathering in the Dales.
Thats the art work from WoT on the Dalish.
So WoT gets some things wrong? Very good to know.
Or Gaider mistyped once again.
It happens a lot.
And chaos is not an synonim of evil
Your hypothetical scenario involved her being an Agent of Chaos, and I simply said that I didn't see her as an antagonist for wanting to help her people if Bioware pursued that narrow direction in the story.
Bioware might not give you the option, or it might but you'll still have to stop Briala. I'm not saying she'll be an antagonist for sure, only that it's possible.
It's also possible that Briala might be another option in stopping the chaos. An option that empowers the elves.
Wouldn't that be a sight?
Your hypothetical scenario involved her being an Agent of Chaos, and I simply said that I didn't see her as an antagonist for wanting to help her people if Bioware pursued that narrow direction in the story.
That would hardly be the first time Bioware railroaded us against a set antagonist.
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If they go that route, I'll suck it up and accept it.
Same as TIM, You can call it narrow and groan all you wish but ultimately its their decision what they do with the narrative.
We'll need to hook the Dalish PC with something. Why not this? Unless it'll be Arlathan, and I don't think we're in its vicinity.
So WoT gets some things wrong? Very good to know.
No idea on WoT, just going with the latest info we have and allowing for either the possibility of a retcon, or us misinterpreting the info we have.
Also if there is one of those big clan gatherings of the Dalish, I would imagine that would be the big Dalish plot.
Seriously if we actually have an Arlathyven or however you spell it, it dang sure better get a bigger plot point and more developement then a freaking yearly landsmeet in ferelden.
So yes, if we have it, I can see that being the big Dalish event for DAI.
Your hypothetical scenario involved her being an Agent of Chaos, and I simply said that I didn't see her as an antagonist for wanting to help her people if Bioware pursued that narrow direction in the story.
And antagonist is someone the player must stop for one reason or another. It does not mean they are villains and you did claim that I perceived her as villain.
If Bioware forces you to fight her, then you won't have much choice beyond seeing her as an antagonist, even if not a villain.
It wouldn't be the first time the elves were mandatory antagonists; see the converts in DA2.
It's also possible that Briala might be another option in stopping the chaos. An option that empowers the elves.
Wouldn't that be a sight?
The presence of a third option that empowers elves wouldn have no effect in those who don't appreciate them.
The absence of it, on the other hand, would upset the pro-elves. Hence the words you just threw back at me.
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