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[Ryzaki]

Well IM kinda sucks, so...

 

...I will fight you on the side of the street.

 

IM is awesome. Hater.

[Hellion Rex]

...I will fight you on the side of the street.

 

IM is awesome. Hater.

City elf.

[Ryzaki]

City elf.

 

 

I'm playing her right now.

[LobselVith8]

Thats the art work from WoT on the Dalish.

 

That's the concept art shown for Inquisition. The setting in what appears to be the Exalted Plains. I'm merely addressing it as a possibility that we may meet the Dalish clans.

[Hellion Rex]

I'm playing her right now.

Thor is cooler.

[MisterJB]

The Dalish should seriously reconsider having this gathering in a place where the PC can't get to it. They do not have a good history with PCs.

[Master Warder Z_]

The Dalish should seriously reconsider having this gathering in a place where the PC can't get to it. They do not have a good history with PCs.

 

Sound advice.

[TK514]

The Dalish may be gathering in the occupied kingdom of the Dales...

I can't help but laugh at how blatant and absurd this phrase is.

 

There is no 'occupied kingdom of the Dales'.  There is an Orlesian province called the Dales.  Calling it 'the occupied kingdom' is hilarious.  It would be like calling Virginia 'an occupied colony of England'.

[Hellion Rex]

The Dalish should seriously reconsider having this gathering in a place where the PC can't get to it. They do not have a good history with PCs.

Maybe with YOUR PCs...

[dragondreamer]

I don't think the WoT is wrong about the general Dalish view on spirits and demons.  But we also know the Dalish have many differences among themselves, they're not a monolithic entity.  Because of that there's no real retcon involved when one Dalish clan has different beliefs and attitudes from another clan.  It's also true that blood magic is considered a taboo in Andrastian society, but that obviously doesn't mean they have no blood mages.

 

 

On the subject of the Arlathvhen, how will they incorporate it for non dalish inquisitors intrigues and concerns me.  There isn't anyway that it is just a total non entity for the other races....

 

And would you not feel cheated if the Arlathvhen- a meeting that takes place only once every 10 years is just relegated to a minor vote mechanic alla the landsmeet?

 

I doubt it would be restricted to elven PCs.  But it would likely be easier to navigate for an elven PC.

[wcholcombe]

That's the concept art shown for Inquisition. The setting in what appears to be the Exalted Plains. I'm merely addressing it as a possibility that we may meet the Dalish clans.

 

The picture he posted is the exact pic that appears on page 29 of World of Thedas.  Which came out in 2013 so I guess it could be both, but WoT is the only place I have seen it.

 

I don't doubt we will meet dalish clans. I find the Arlathvhen to be likely, I just hope it is properly developed.

[EmissaryofLies]

That would hardly be the first time Bioware railroaded us against a set antagonist.

 

._.

 

If they go that route, I'll suck it up and accept it.

 

Same as TIM, You can call it narrow and groan all you wish but ultimately its their decision what they do with the narrative.

 

Agreed, did not like what they did with him in ME3. Such a fascinating and great character did not deserve to get the 'idol' treatment. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Maybe with YOUR PCs...

 

Actually on my first three DA 2 playthroughs i more or less killed them by accident, i just clicked the uppermost dialogue choice and they attacked.

 

._. I didn't see it happening, but later didn't care enough to reload the file..

[LobselVith8]

Lob you're looking at the hypothetical situation in black and white. If Briala seeks to prolong the Civil War while the Inquisitor might need to end it quickly in order to gather an allied force to combat the potential army of demons, then that means there might be a problem as the two goals oppose each other. Briala seekihg to uplift the elves won't matter to a player who's more interested in potentially gaining Gaspard's or Celene's forces with the least amount of resources expended.

 

I'm looking at the situation as being railroaded into an outcome I'd oppose. If this hypothetical situation involved the protagonist being forced into killing the templars and helping the mages to deal with the crisis of the veil tears, I doubt you'd be making the same argument.

[Ryzaki]

Thor is cooler.

 

*rolls up sleeves*

 

COME AT ME BRO

 

XD

[The Elder King]

The picture he posted is the exact pic that appears on page 29 of World of Thedas.  Which came out in 2013 so I guess it could be both, but WoT is the only place I have seen it.
 
I don't doubt we will meet dalish clans. I find the Arlathvhen to be likely, I just hope it is properly developed.

It was shown in 2012, I think at PAX East.

[wcholcombe]

I don't think the WoT is wrong about the general Dalish view on spirits and demons.  But we also know the Dalish have many differences among themselves, they're not a monolithic entity.  Because of that there's no real retcon involved when one Dalish clan has different beliefs and attitudes from another clan.  It's also true that blood magic is considered a taboo in Andrastian society, but that obviously doesn't mean they have no blood mages.

 

 

I speculated on that being the case when I first posed the question to Lob as Fellassan states the seperation of the Clans has led to widely different interpretations of what being Dalish means. Lob has stated similar in regards to how the clans will all deal with non dalish differently, but he never replied to my point about the effects of the seperation of the dalish on their beliefs.

[Hellion Rex]

*rolls up sleeves*

 

COME AT ME BRO

 

XD

I wouldn't debase myself by taking on a basic such as you. Enjoy your Daish elf, Ryzaki.

[Ryzaki]

Actually on my first three DA 2 playthroughs i more or less killed them by accident, i just clicked the uppermost dialogue choice and they attacked.

 

._. I didn't see it happening, but later didn't care enough to reload the file..

 

In DA2 it's really stupid how the choice that makes the least sense "I'll take complete responsibility" somehow calms them down. I think a lot of us killed them intentionally or not due to the weird phrasing of the choices.

 

 

I wouldn't debase myself by taking on a basic such as you. Enjoy your Daish elf, Ryzaki.

 

I shall enjoy playing my Qunari mage very much that I shall

[EmissaryofLies]

I wouldn't debase myself by taking on a basic such as you. Enjoy your Daish elf, Ryzaki.

 

You gettin' nasty, son. 

 

There's no need for that.

 

*finger wag* 

 

[LobselVith8]

I don't think it makes it a reskinned andrastian. Andrastians view for the most part all fade spirits as evil. Just ask Lambert he will tell you so.  It would be close to the Tevinter view, but they still considered spirits to be good.  The Dalish consider them both to be like wild animals.  That is different, and still fits with Merril saying they view them as dangerous.  That is why I think we may have misinterpretted Merril's convo.  I don't really know on WoT.

 

Anders argues with Merrill because his religiously Andrastian views hold that some of the Children of the Maker are benevolent; the existence of Spirit Healers (who are condoned in the Chantry controlled Circles) also contradicts your claim in using Lambert as the Andrastian example. If the recton makes the Dalish hold the same views on the denizens of the Fade as Andrastians, including dealing with them, then it dilutes their unique perspective held by the Dalish on the Beyond and in all spirits being dangerous. I don't see the point of it.

[Xilizhra]

I can't help but laugh at how blatant and absurd this phrase is.

 

There is no 'occupied kingdom of the Dales'.  There is an Orlesian province called the Dales.  Calling it 'the occupied kingdom' is hilarious.  It would be like calling Virginia 'an occupied colony of England'.

How can a colony be occupied by the people who lived there to begin with? Now, saying that it's occupied First Nation land might get you farther.

 

 

Anders argues with Merrill because his religiously Andrastian views hold that some of the Children of the Maker are benevolent; the existence of Spirit Healers (who are condoned in the Chantry controlled Circles) also contradicts your claim in using Lambert as the Andrastian example. If the recton makes the Dalish hold the same views on the denizens of the Fade as Andrastians, including dealing with them, then it dilutes their unique perspective held by the Dalish on the Beyond and in all spirits being dangerous. I don't see the point of it.

Actually, this I have to disagree with in part, because just seeing something as dangerous doesn't mean that you're not allowed to make use of it.

[wcholcombe]

Anders argues with Merrill because his religiously Andrastian views hold that some of the Children of the Maker are benevolent; the existence of Spirit Healers (who are condoned in the Chantry controlled Circles) also contradicts your claim in using Lambert as the Andrastian example. If the recton makes the Dalish hold the same views on the denizens of the Fade as Andrastians, including dealing with them, then it dilutes their unique perspective held by the Dalish on the Beyond and in all spirits being dangerous. I don't see the point of it.

Ok, Andrastians--possibly view spirits as good and demons as bad.

Dalish-view all spirits and demons as dangerous wild animals who should only be dealt with with extreme care.

 

Those are in no way the same.

[Shadow Fox]

I'm perfectly willing to expend resources to get Celene on board with helping Briala, and don't see why that option should be automatically closed to me in this situation.

Because one seems to hate the other?

[Xilizhra]

Because one seems to hate the other?

Zathrian could be brought around to help the werewolves, and it's not as though Celene could never be moved to apologize and seek redemption for her actions.