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[Cainhurst Crow]

What if I'm looking to win the game of thrones and want someone who can play the game over swing a sword?

Ned stark could swing a sword. Robert Baratheon a hammer. Look how things went for them, while characters like margaery tyrell or littlefinger are still alive and in power.

[The Elder King]

@Lobsel: I took the 'easter Fereldn-western Orlais' phrase as explaining the map, not necessarily the order we'll visit the locations.
I agree about DA4 moving on from Ferelden and Orlais, though I was talking specifically about the plot in DAI. Ferelden might be the Origin of the chaos though.

[LobselVith8]

I doubt we are going to get Briala as a third candidate for the same reason we didn't get a third casteless option in Orzammar, or a neutral path in Kirkwall

 

I don't see why an elven Inquisitor would be limited to helping restore Orlais, given the history between the Dalish and the Orlesian Empire. I'm not saying it's going to happen for certain, but I don't think it's implausible.

[Master Warder Z_]

My PC would know nothing on it, since he doesn't know of the letters.
He'd only know that Celene has a more moderate approach to Ferelden, while Gaspard wants to conquer it and denigrates Fereldans, assuming that he'd share his opinions of Ferelden in the game (though it's probably well-known).

 

._. If you mean completely allowing the fostering of sentiment that it would be grand to retake it one day "moderate" sure. She isn't pro Fereldan by any stretch, she just wanted to use her legs rather then her armies to win it back.

 

So i wouldn't construe it as Metagaming as viewing her any more supportive of the neighbors then Gaspard given that, she isn't against the notion of Orais retaking Fereldan, After all the nobility believe what they want to believe, and the Monarchs are oft times of similar thought.

[LobselVith8]

@Lobsel: I took the 'easter Fereldn-western Orlais' phrase as explaining the map, not necessarily the order we'll visit the locations.
I agree about DA4 moving on from Ferelden and Orlais, though I was talking specifically about the plot in DAI. Ferelden might be the Origin of the chaos though.

 

You think it could be the reverse? That could be interesting - choosing between Celene or Gaspard may impact what happens in Ferelden, such as Gaspard sending forces to seize control of their former province.

[Master Warder Z_]

What if I'm looking to win the game of thrones and want someone who can play the game over swing a sword?

Ned stark could swing a sword. Robert Baratheon a hammer. Look how things went for them, while characters like margaery tyrell or littlefinger are still alive and in power.

 

Gaspard can do both

 

Excellent warrior and a competent player of the game.

[The Elder King]

._. If you mean completely allowing the fostering of sentiment that it would be grand to retake it one day "moderate" sure. She isn't pro Fereldan by any stretch, she just wanted to use her legs rather then her armies to win it back.
 
So i wouldn't construe it as Metagaming as viewing her any more supportive of the neighbors then Gaspard given that, she isn't against the notion of Orais retaking Fereldan, After all the nobility believe what they want to believe, and the Monarchs are oft times of similar thought.

Did she expressed in TME the Notion of wanting to reconquer Ferelden? What I mean is that, as far as I know, she didn't show the desire to conquer it in public, and she didn't treat Fereldans like dirt or lesser people (as Gaspard did).
It's metagaming if we know that she wants to conquer Ferelden through diplomacy/marriage only by the Return to Ostagar content, which is something my PC would have no clue about.
If there's something I'm missing, fair enough.

[The Elder King]

You think it could be the reverse? That could be interesting - choosing between Celene or Gaspard may impact what happens in Ferelden, such as Gaspard sending forces to seize control of their former province.

The OCW results might have effects to Ferelden, yes. Though I wonder how they'll be shown.

[Xilizhra]

I doubt we are going to get Briala as a third candidate for the same reason we didn't get a third casteless option in Orzammar, or a neutral path in Kirkwall

But we did have a casteless-helping option in Orzammar, and a de facto neutral option in Kirkwall (you can declare that that's what you want, but because Meredith will attack you for it, siding with the mages still counts).

[Master Warder Z_]

Did she expressed in TME the Notion of wanting to reconquer Ferelden? What I mean is that, as far as I know, she didn't show the desire to conquer it in public, and she didn't treat Fereldans like dirt or lesser people (as Gaspard did).
It's metagaming if we know that she wants to conquer Ferelden through diplomacy/marriage only by the Return to Ostagar content, which is something my PC would have no clue about.
If there's something I'm missing, fair enough.

 

She didn't express distaste publicly no. And actually Alistair has misgivings about Orlais's intent as well in Dragon Age 2 if he is King, But again it's something the PC of DAI wouldn't be aware of. I am merely a mind that when you have Nobles of a singular country having the desire for conquest, that desire oft times has its root in the one who leads them, Gaspard may merely just be overt about it.

 

Its merely a line of conjectural thought, The PC may or may not be aware of the Nobility and their misgivings

[LobselVith8]

Did she expressed in TME the Notion of wanting to reconquer Ferelden? What I mean is that, as far as I know, she didn't show the desire to conquer it in public, and she didn't treat Fereldans like dirt or lesser people (as Gaspard did).
It's metagaming if we know that she wants to conquer Ferelden through diplomacy/marriage only by the Return to Ostagar content, which is something my PC would have no clue about.
If there's something I'm missing, fair enough.

 

I don't see much point in metagaming in situations where the respective main character wouldn't have any direct knowledge of the situation. My apostate Hawke helped Renvil Harrowmont escape the assassination attempt of the carta, even though it's something that my Surana Warden would have been opposed to due to his political ties to King Bhelen. To each their own, of course.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Gaspard can do both
 
Excellent warrior and a competent player of the game.

Forgive me if I withhold my enthusiasm and continue to hold my disbelief.

[The Elder King]

She didn't express distaste publicly no. And actually Alistair has misgivings about Orlais's intent as well in Dragon Age 2 if he is King, But again it's something the PC of DAI wouldn't be aware of. I am merely a mind that when you have Nobles of a singular country having the desire for conquest, that desire oft times has its root in the one who leads them, Gaspard may merely just be overt about it.
 
Its merely a line of conjectural thought, The PC may or may not be aware of the Nobility and their misgivings

True. Or the situation between Orlais and Ferelden will be explained in a different manner.
Though it's entirely possible that the PC might know about Celene's desire. We will likely meet Alistair (possibly Anora) as King.

[The Elder King]

I don't see much point in metagaming in situations where the respective main character wouldn't have any direct knowledge of the situation. My apostate Hawke helped Renvil Harrowmont escape the assassination attempt of the carta, even though it's something that my Surana Warden would have been opposed to due to his political ties to King Bhelen. To each their own, of course.

I don't know if I wasn't clear, but that was my point.

[LobselVith8]

I don't know if I wasn't clear, but that was my point.

 

You were clear, I was just trying to be neutral in the last paragraph to avoid stepping on anyone's toes. Maybe it would've helped if I said I agreed with you.

[The Elder King]

You were clear, I was just trying to be neutral in the last paragraph to avoid stepping on anyone's toes. Maybe it would've helped if I said I agreed with you.

Understood.

[Master Warder Z_]

Forgive me if I withhold my enthusiasm and continue to hold my disbelief.

 

You're choice.

[Xilizhra]

Is it confirmed that we can side with Gaspard, by the way?

[Master Warder Z_]

Is it confirmed that we can side with Gaspard, by the way?

 

Another question would be.

 

Is it confirmed we can side with Celene? Or Any one Orlesian Nobility at all for that matter?

 

But to answer your question, No clue, it hasn't been mentioned much.

[The Baconer]

Is it confirmed that we can side with Gaspard, by the way?

 

I don't see why that wouldn't be an option.

[Xilizhra]

Another question would be.

 

Is it confirmed we can side with Celene? Or Any one Orlesian Nobility at all for that matter?

 

But to answer your question, No clue, it hasn't been mentioned much.

Hmm. So it's possible, in theory, for Gaspard to be every player's foe.

[Master Warder Z_]

I don't see why that wouldn't be an option.

 

Because he is an evil bigot who supports absolute monarchy and autocracy!

 

 

How dare he not support Western American Liberalism, Despite it you know... it Completely not existing in his world.

[The Hierophant]

Now that i'm rethinking it, is there a possibilty that Celene's and Gaspard's armies get annihilated at ground zero of the veil tears or are there hints the initial tear happens at another location?

[Master Warder Z_]

Hmm. So it's possible, in theory, for Gaspard to be every player's foe.

 

The same would be equally applicable to the Elf or Empresses.

 

If Bioware goes that route however, my cash is on the elf.

[Xilizhra]

The same would be equally applicable to the Elf or Empresses.

 

If Bioware goes that route however, my cash is on the elf.

Unlikely. That would lead to faction redundancy, with two sides just being slightly different interpretations of "Orlais" as opposed to "Orlais vs. elves." And if we do it this way, Gaspard's mooks can be a menace for all while easy drama can be created with Vivienne supporting Celene and Sera supporting Briala, perhaps creating an actual crisis point.