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[jtav]

I just lost Miranda's loyalty in the confrontation with Jack. Does anyone remember if her survival at Sanctuary is keyed to loyalty or doing the mission?

[schwarzweiss]

I think if you help her in ME 3 in the conversations on the Citadel (warn her about Kai Leng, give her access to Alliance research and let her kill her father) she still survives but i'm not entirely sure about that.

[Mordokai]

If she's not loyal, she'll die on Sanctuary. Period.

[jtav]

I wasn't sure if it was a loyalty check or a "did you complete the LM" check. Well, I know who my token casualty will be.

[ImaginaryMatter]

You have the opportunity to regain her loyalty by talking to her later.

[jtav]

You have the opportunity to regain her loyalty by talking to her later.

If I could do that, I wouldn't have lost it. ME2 persuade is a percentage of P/R. I won't be getting it back.

[ImaginaryMatter]

If I could do that, I wouldn't have lost it. ME2 persuade is a percentage of P/R. I won't be getting it back.

 

No, I meant that the Normandy confrontations have a way for Shepard to regain the loyalty of who's ever side he didn't choose. In Miranda's case Shepard has the chance to talk to her a mission or so and get another set of easier to pass persuasion checks to regain Miranda's loyalty.

[Farangbaa]

You have the opportunity to regain her loyalty by talking to her later.

 

Later? You can talk to her immediatly after.

[Darks1d3]

No, I meant that the Normandy confrontations have a way for Shepard to regain the loyalty of who's ever side he didn't choose. In Miranda's case Shepard has the chance to talk to her a mission or so and get another set of easier to pass persuasion checks to regain Miranda's loyalty.

How about Jack? Can you talk to her later or does she just say the equivalent of "f*** off" if you side with Miranda in the confrontation?

[Ribosome]

Jack has one too. You just lose the chance to romance them and any existing romance is done period

[Steelcan]

You can go back and get her loyalty, but no romance is possible

[congokong]

Miranda dying is meant to be ...sort of. It certainly makes the ending of the Sanctuary quest and the crew dialogue afterwards better. But I suppose if you're a huge Miranda fan or one of those perfectionist players you'll want to keep her alive. But come on, the developers give you plenty of opportunities to kill off characters for a reason. It adds spice.

[Han Shot First]

Miranda dying is meant to be ...sort of. It certainly makes the ending of the Sanctuary quest and the crew dialogue afterwards better. But I suppose if you're a huge Miranda fan or one of those perfectionist players you'll want to keep her alive. But come on, the developers give you plenty of opportunities to kill off characters for a reason. It adds spice.

 

I consider myself a Miranda fan. In fact I had Shepard romance her in ME2, which is why she ends up dead in ME3. While I'm not a fan of tying character deaths to relationship status, I do prefer a playthrough where she dies at Sanctuary for all the reasons you stated. I also think it makes the payoff at Cronos more emotional when Kai Leng has not only killed Thane, but also Miranda.

[jtav]

Well, um, rather considerable Miranda fan here. We'll be here all day if I get started on Sanctuary. What I need to know quite simply, is whether I need to kill her at Sanctuary to avoid the death scene or whether doing her LM is enough to ensure her survival if the other conditions are met.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Miranda dying is meant to be ...sort of. It certainly makes the ending of the Sanctuary quest and the crew dialogue afterwards better. But I suppose if you're a huge Miranda fan or one of those perfectionist players you'll want to keep her alive. But come on, the developers give you plenty of opportunities to kill off characters for a reason. It adds spice.

 

In fact it makes things awkward if you don't. Especially that first dream, with everyone alive (minus the VnS [Virmire non-Survivor?]) Shepard is basically just playing tag with the kid.

[congokong]

I consider myself a Miranda fan. In fact I had Shepard romance her in ME2, which is why she ends up dead in ME3. While I'm not a fan of tying character deaths to relationship status, I do prefer a playthrough where she dies at Sanctuary for all the reasons you stated. I also think it makes the payoff at Cronos more emotional when Kai Leng has not only killed Thane, but also Miranda.

 

Yup. Thane was close to death anyway but Miranda could live 1.5x as long as the average human supposedly. That's what also makes her death more fitting and dramatic. Even with her bragging about being so close to perfect (despite being barren) how long did she manage to live?

[ImaginaryMatter]

Well, um, rather considerable Miranda fan here. We'll be here all day if I get started on Sanctuary. What I need to know quite simply, is whether I need to kill her at Sanctuary to avoid the death scene or whether doing her LM is enough to ensure her survival if the other conditions are met.

 

Well then, she will die if she was not loyal.

[congokong]

In fact it makes things awkward if you don't. Especially that first dream, with everyone alive (minus the VnS [Virmire non-Survivor?]) Shepard is basically just playing tag with the kid.

lol

 

So true. On my perfectionist playthroughs it was tag pretty much. With my canon Shepard I got people like Wrex and Chakwas in the dreams which made it more chilling. Wrex because I sabotaged the cure and Chakwas because I really liked her and felt bad that she died. She was so loyal.

[geth47]

She was the least likely character to die in ME2 (she could only die in two situations, going with shep against the boss being not-loyal, or during the holding the line section), so bioware decided to make her the hardest one to be kept alive in me3. You have to pay a lot of visits to the citadel and give her the info she wants. 

 

Since since I like her (just a bit), I´d say she´s worth the effort.

[ImaginaryMatter]

lol

 

So true. On my perfectionist playthroughs it was tag pretty much. With my canon Shepard I got people like Wrex and Chakwas in the dreams which made it more chilling. Wrex because I sabotaged the cure and Chakwas because I really liked her and felt bad that she died. She was so loyal.

 

I can never kill Wrex, I love my Krogan pal to much. I delayed the conversation on Virmire once so Ashley would shoot him for a Wreav playthough, but I felt so bad I reloaded.

[congokong]

I can never kill Wrex, I love my Krogan pal to much. I delayed the conversation on Virmire once so Ashley would shoot him for a Wreav playthough, but I felt so bad I reloaded.

 

While I wasn't the biggest Wrex fan (I don't like the krogan) I didn't take pleasure in putting him down. That's what made the story better; losing characters that are somewhat painful to lose. I really liked Chakwas but it would've been out of character (and very risky) to send an escort just for her; friend or no. I wouldn't kill off someone who contributed a lot to the series though like Garrus because that would overall weaken the story.

[congokong]

This is from Mass Effect Wiki to answer the OP:

 

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Commander Shepard's team arrives on Horizon after Cerberus retrieves the Prothean VI from Thessia. They see the video logs left by Miranda and reaches the central tower to find Miranda badly hurt. Henry is holding Oriana as a human shield and keeping Miranda at gunpoint. Shepard is either able to diffuse the situation diplomatically or to simply shoot him.

 

If Shepard allows Henry to leave, Miranda will refuse, using her biotics to push him out of a nearby window. Miranda, who is badly injured during a running battle with Kai Leng, dies in the company of Oriana and Shepard if she was not previously warned about Kai Leng's return to service of Cerberus. If Miranda's loyalty was not secured, or she was not given Alliance resources, Kai Leng will mortally wound her even if warned.

 

If Shepard cannot persuade Henry diplomatically and does not shoot him after diplomacy fails, Miranda takes the initiative to kill her father herself, but Henry manages to get in a shot that fatally wounds Miranda, causing Miranda to die even if Miranda was warned about both the Cerberus attack and Kai Leng's return to Cerberus.

 

If Miranda survived those events, she tells Shepard she had the time to place a tracking device on Kai Leng during their short encounter, allowing Shepard and the Alliance to find the Illusive Man's location. Miranda then leaves with her sister, and asks Shepard to be careful.

[themikefest]

 

 

 

If Shepard cannot persuade Henry diplomatically and does not shoot him after diplomacy fails, Miranda takes the initiative to kill her father herself, but Henry manages to get in a shot that fatally wounds Miranda, causing Miranda to die even if Miranda was warned about both the Cerberus attack and Kai Leng's return to Cerberus.

I have done that even after warning Miranda about Kai Leng and given her resources. The other thing is that she dies, shot in the stomach, within a few seconds and she never was able to put a tracer on Kai Leng.

[metalfenix]

I think that the "using alliance resources" line is the key point. On my very first playthrough, I had Miranda's loyalty, but I got her killed anyway. In that moment, I denied her the alliance resources.

[Excella Gionne]

You can regain her loyalty later with a max paragon or renegade bar later on, but this option has high chances of bugging out and so you may not have the option to do so later on. But she won't die in ME3 if you did all of the requirements which is talking to her whenever she requested you. You also have to give her access to Alliance resources as well in ME3 on the last meet up. She won't die even if you imported your save with being unloyal.