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[Dethateer]

Whaddya mean by "in various sizes"?

[A. Cameron]

Have you seen that video in near the end. Some of them are just off in the distance, but I swear there are baby cuttlefish bugs. But in all seriousness, who invented the cuttlefish bugs that took over the universe???!?!?!!!

[Dethateer]

Lovecraft.

[Homebound]

A. Cameron wrote...

On a more serious note, who created the cuttlefish bugs, and why do they appear in-game in various sizes?

You mean the Keepers?

[Cetregon]

It isn't inconceivable that the Reapers are using the "insect-like" Collectors, much like they used the "insect-like" Keepers. On the other hand, it's possible that the Collectors are using the Reapers. If they are untouched by the Reapers, the Collectors probably derive great benefit from the periodic evolutionary reset, as their collection becomes more diverse more quickly than if evolution continued on its path.



If I may expand on Dethateer's point, I find a certain aesthetic symmetry in the possibility that the Collectors gather biological diversity while the Reapers gather new technology. It's possible that the Collectors and the Reapers are two sides of the same coin, with each driven (perhaps unknowingly) by an as-yet unseen master. The Reapers, being inherently spacefaring and destructive, had the responsibility of resetting the system by exterminating civilization, but the Protheans threw them a curveball that Sovereign failed to handle. That leaves it to the Collectors, who have had to change their tactics to handle the new task. They can no longer patiently hide in the shadows, taking a few people here and a dozen there. They have to accelerate their work, so they moved to taking entire colonies.



I think these three "insect-like" species are all part of a greater plan. I suppose I have an organic bias, so I think the planners are (or were) organic, although there is something to be said for having evolved past a physical body. One may infer that possibility from ME1 and what we've seen in ME2.

[Homebound]

Cetregon wrote...

It isn't inconceivable that the Reapers are using the "insect-like" Collectors, much like they used the "insect-like" Keepers. On the other hand, it's possible that the Collectors are using the Reapers. If they are untouched by the Reapers, the Collectors probably derive great benefit from the periodic evolutionary reset, as their collection becomes more diverse more quickly than if evolution continued on its path.

If I may expand on Dethateer's point, I find a certain aesthetic symmetry in the possibility that the Collectors gather biological diversity while the Reapers gather new technology. It's possible that the Collectors and the Reapers are two sides of the same coin, with each driven (perhaps unknowingly) by an as-yet unseen master. The Reapers, being inherently spacefaring and destructive, had the responsibility of resetting the system by exterminating civilization, but the Protheans threw them a curveball that Sovereign failed to handle. That leaves it to the Collectors, who have had to change their tactics to handle the new task. They can no longer patiently hide in the shadows, taking a few people here and a dozen there. They have to accelerate their work, so they moved to taking entire colonies.

I think these three "insect-like" species are all part of a greater plan. I suppose I have an organic bias, so I think the planners are (or were) organic, although there is something to be said for having evolved past a physical body. One may infer that possibility from ME1 and what we've seen in ME2.

Reaper's inslave the last race they conquered to do their bidding, does that mean the Collectors are actually the--

[Dethateer]

MIKE, SHUT THE **** UP.

No, seriously, it's bad enough that some **** posted whole pages of topics with the same title which basically described the only plot twist one could only figure out by a lucky guess (thanks for ruining that for me, butt-pipe), now you're doing the same thing here?

Delete that line, NOW.

[kaff33nd]

Back on-topic, I think the Reapers manufactured diferent sizes of themselves for efficiency. They (possibly) manufactured the Collectors for the same reason - a Reaper can hardly land on a planet, abduct everyone on it and take off again without attracting somebody's attention. The insidious threat is far greater than the obvious one. And much more effective. And that being said, how insidious were the Keepers?
It's interesting that every incarnation of the different 'classes' of Reaper/Collector/Keeper follow the basic premise that insects (hive mentality, multi limbed, exoskeleton) have, and that each name reflects its job description rather than appearance.
Here's a comparison of the Overseer, a Pretorian (Collector) and a Cicada:

Modifié par kaff33nd, 24 janvier 2010 - 12:43 .

[A. Cameron]

Awesome!!! Now we have Cuttlefish-Bugs with lasers, and giant Cicadas that collect stuff.

[Dethateer]

Well, they would have no reason to specifically create servants to strip-mine a planet during the harvest, they do have indoctrination at their disposal after all.

[kaff33nd]

Yes, but as far as we know indoctrination requires the presence of a Reaper. Perhaps the Collectors are used when something goes wrong with the "cycle" as Liara called it. Also, until now the Collectors were primarily interested in collecting small test groups - not entire colonies.
Oh, and A.Cameron, I was going to show a pic of a crab, but in all the world I couldn't find a decent one using Google.
And dare I mention the Toad/Turtle that is the Krogan? 

Modifié par kaff33nd, 24 janvier 2010 - 12:58 .

[Dethateer]

The Reapers have Husks to use for ground combat, and, like the Strogg of Quake, the more humans they capture (remember that the Dragon Teeth have their own form of indoctrination), the more troops they have. And all they'd have to do to spread significant amounts of those things (the Dragon Teeth) on planets would be to indoctrinate a ship, fill it up with them, and shower the targeted world with those things.

Modifié par Dethateer, 24 janvier 2010 - 01:06 .

[kaff33nd]

Interestingly, the Collectors use Husks in ME2 as well, but no spikes

[A. Cameron]

I got nothing on husks...



But I will give a huge thumbs up to kaff33nd for effort with the crab search. Maybe a wilderness excursion to source your own?



I'm still at a loss as to the creation of the reapers though. They must surely have a creator, otherwise they wouldn not be inorganic. The plot thickens.

[Dethateer]

kaff33nd wrote...

Interestingly, the Collectors use Husks in ME2 as well, but no spikes

You can't know that for sure, since all we saw were very short gameplay videos. The "no spikes" part, I mean. Though, even if they didn't need the Dragon Teeth, that doesn't change the fact that they (the spikes) have Reaper tech (indoctrination), and were used by the Geth in considerable amounts to turn humans into Husks.

Modifié par Dethateer, 24 janvier 2010 - 01:28 .

[Homebound]

I think a Reaper is a Reaper. And a Reaper is a VERY large sentient machine. I dont think they made bug-forms or whatever of themselves. MAYBE thats just how evolution worked in the Terminus system.



But thats just a guess.



Oh and Dethateer, whoever was doing the spoiling, I highly doubt it was accurate. Again it was just a guess on my part. I could be wrong.

[A. Cameron]

It would be a massive (and totally unfounded and unlikely) twist, if the Reapers were created by humanity in the future. Theoretically, using Faster Than Light travel, it is feasible that they could have gone far enough back in time to start the whole destroy sentient life and then grow it again thing.



As I said, unlikely, but I wanted to get the ball rolling on the whole, who created the Reapers thing.

[Homebound]

A. Cameron wrote...

It would be a massive (and totally unfounded and unlikely) twist, if the Reapers were created by humanity in the future. Theoretically, using Faster Than Light travel, it is feasible that they could have gone far enough back in time to start the whole destroy sentient life and then grow it again thing.

As I said, unlikely, but I wanted to get the ball rolling on the whole, who created the Reapers thing.

NOW THAT YOU MENTION IT!  With the who FTL thing you mentioned, at first I thought the Reapers were actually Geth who somehow got thrown into the past.  Maybe in ME3 thats how they got ridden of or something like that.  Not to mention Legion being named Legion and how Sovereign refered to himself as Legion.

[Dethateer]

Sovereign referred to the fleet of Reapers as Legion ("We are legion.").
Also, Cameron, there was a thread about that, gimmie a sec.
http://social.biowar...04/index/727716

As I said there, you can't come back in time to prevent something, because then you would have no reason to go back in time, unless you failed, and if you failed, you'd know how and why.

Modifié par Dethateer, 24 janvier 2010 - 01:57 .

[A. Cameron]

By that reasoning though, the Reapers could have been a creation originally made to combat themselves. The future civilisation that created them would not know that what they were building may be the very thing they were trying to destroy. This would fit neatly into what you were suggesting.



As I said, it was just a possibility. I just enjoy speculating for the time being, where the Reapers come from and possible motivations.



Also, if I am ignorant on previous posts, thats because I've never posted before today.

[Dethateer]

Yes, that actually does make sense, though it means that Shepard will fail (because the Reapers would need to survive), and while I'd love to see that happen, I doubt it will.

I think it is more likely a combination of various theories from this thread: the Reapers could be an artificial evolutionary imperative, preventing any unworthy civilization (divided, weak, unadvanced technologically) from either discovering something in the galaxy, or leaving it, strengthening any civilization that would survive the Reaper assault, not to mention leaving them the collective achievements of every species before them.

As far as that "every last civilization to be destroyed got enslaved" idea... that would leave at least a few hundred extremely old species in the galaxy. Doesn't really make sense.

Also, not your fault for missing that thread, it was short and mostly non-sensical.

Modifié par Dethateer, 24 janvier 2010 - 02:09 .

[A. Cameron]

I see your point.



Regardless, the fact that more than I have independantly thought of this idea that the Reapers are from the future could be something.



Physics do suggest that at the speed of light time is at a standstill and the Reapers definately have Faster Than Light travel which suggests that inevitably, they will have had to have gone back in time at some point. How far and to what degree may be an unknown, but I think there is definately something to it.



It is a twist that M. Knight could only dream of conceiving.

[Dethateer]

They can't achieve very high FTL speeds, as evidenced by the fact that they still need the Citadel to invade.

[A. Cameron]

[quote]A. Cameron wrote...

Reapers definately have Faster Than Light travel which suggests that inevitably, they will have had to have gone back in time at some point. How far and to what degree may be an unknown





As I said to what degree is unknown. 'Twas merely an idea.

[Zoso-six]

sovereign reminds me of bedbugs. After I moved into an apartment that had them they have scared the **** out of me ever since.