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[kaff33nd]

Then no Reapers... Until a species gains such a level of sentient development that it transcends it's own species.
EDIT: Glad to meet someone else who knows what Mjolnir is

Modifié par kaff33nd, 24 janvier 2010 - 06:31 .

[PG420]

I just wanted to throw this out there cause i've seen alot of people talking about how the reapers are using organics as some sort of power supply. I don't see how this is possible, the reapers don't harvest organics, they exterminate them and harvest their technology. So i don't think they need us to keep them going in that sense, anyway.

[kaff33nd]

Actually, if you look at the visions from the Prothean beacons you'll see that the Protheans are being fitted with synthetic gear... being converted or something.

[A. Cameron]

Probably got nothing to do with anything, but why is it, that ALL the Reapers and a fair chunk of Geth are purple. Seems an odd colour to pick for a machine. Clearly the Reapers were created at some point by something as they cannot have simply evolved into being. This would completely destroy the idea that they were inorganic.



I just reckon that it's weird that Reapers, Geth and Saren were all purple. There may be a link...

[Ndiver]

I think it's odd that no one in this thread has brought up a few references I found playing through ME1, as well as on the ME Wiki.

The first is the description of the planet Jartar in the Dis system of Hades Gamma.

"Jartar is a terrestrial world with
a trace atmosphere of krypton and xenon. The surface is hot, and mainly
composed of unremarkable silicates. Occasional deposits of aluminum,
magnesium, and other light metals can be found.
Jartar is noted for the discovery of the "Leviathan of Dis," the apparent corpse of a genetically engineered living starship. The Leviathan was found in the bottom of a crater by a batarian
survey team, and estimated to be nearly a billion years old. It
"disappeared" after a visit to the system by a batarian dreadnought
twenty years ago.
Since then, the batarians have steadfastly denied that the
Leviathan existed at all – and all the more vociferously when shown
recordings of the corpse made by salarian researchers."
The second is the planet Klencory in the Newton system of the Keppler Verge .

"Klencory is a rock and ice planet
with an atmosphere composed of chlorine and argon. The frozen surface
is mainly composed of potassium with deposits of iron.
Klencory is famously claimed by the eccentric volus billionaire Kumun Shol. He claims that a vision of a higher being told
him to seek on Klencory the "lost crypts of beings of light." These
entities were supposedly created at the dawn of time to protect organic
life from synthetic "machine devils."
Shol has been excavating on Klencory's toxic surface for two
decades, at great expense. No government has valued the world enough to
evict his small army of mercenaries."


To me this hints that the reapers have an equal and opposite, organic starships vs synthetic ones. Either these anti-Reapers are biding their time for reasons unknown, or perhaps they were the first galactic species in the Milky Way. It would make sense that organic starships might create synthetic ones. We as humans tend to imagine robots and cyborgs as very human in appearance, the quarians created the geth in a similar image to themselves...

Doesn't do much to explain the Reapers intentions, but might generate some discussion.

Modifié par Ndiver, 25 janvier 2010 - 04:37 .

[Ndiver]

Also as it applies to the Collectors, you'd think if they're all controlled by the overseer, that if the overseer were indoctrinated that they'd make great tools for the reapers. Makes sense to use hive minds as slaves when you only need to control one to control many.

[kaff33nd]

@Ndiver - is the Leviathan purple? lol
@A.Cameron - Purple has long been associated with witchcraft/devil worship and Black Sabbath.

Modifié par kaff33nd, 25 janvier 2010 - 06:34 .

[AeonofHorus]

So the Reapers are actually from the future sent back through time to kill John Shepard because he will plant the seed into Ashley (or Liara) That will bring on the future Rebelion Leader that will lead to the reapers destruction.

Modifié par AeonofHorus, 25 janvier 2010 - 06:58 .

[Dethateer]

Those retarded time-travel theories are starting to ****** me off.

Sovereign was purple? Never noticed that, and that's a pretty good theory, with organic starships. There's also the issue of the planet with the canyon dug by a giant mass accelerator.

[AeonofHorus]

I hope you realize my comment was a reference to terminator 2 and to be funny dammit I guess I fail

[kaff33nd]

Yah I think we all knew that, but there've been a lot of pseudo-scientific guesses along the time-travel lines. It just gets boring after a while.

[Dethateer]

The whole Terminator series is based on a logical flaw cold, logical machines should have figured out before sending the robot back into the past. It's basically a pointless series of explosions with a perfectly predictable outcome for anyone with a quarter of a brain.

[kaff33nd]

Yep, I have a quarter of a brain and I got it!

[Hyper Cutter]

Dethateer wrote...

Those retarded time-travel theories are starting to ****** me off.
Sovereign was purple? Never noticed that, and that's a pretty good theory, with organic starships. There's also the issue of the planet with the canyon dug by a giant mass accelerator.

I have to wonder if organic starships are the sort of technology the Reapers are trying to steer spacefaring species away from.

[Dethateer]

Could be, since organic ships would be, like all life, unpredictable. Organic weapons might be effective at fighting the Reapers off for all we know.

[DZX Dachande]

I think the Reapers could have evolved on their own. I mean other sci fi books/shows/films have used the whole silicon based lifeform thing before, so why couldn't sentient non-organic life develop along those lines? We may be organic but on a very basic level we are essentially machines and, setting aside any religious entanglements, we evolved alright without being 'created'! 

Also, do we know for sure that they were really sleeping for 50,000 years at a time? We know there are a ridiculous number of galaxies in the universe, so maybe they've been spending that time erradicating life that has evolved elsewhere. Perhaps they realise that realistically exterminating all organic life is a practical impossiblity and that the best they can hope to do is a spot of weeding in the gallactic gardens, so to speak. Organic life was bon from star dust once, so even if they obliterrated everything in the galaxy, sooner or later it would crop up again in a time, place and manner that could not be predicted. By creating the Mass Relays, they could at least guide our evolution down a path that could to a certain extent be predicted and controlled, facilitating the aforementioned gallactic weed-whacking. That way they could destroy the most advanced civilizations, and therefore the biggest threat to their existence, without wasting time and resources on the impossible goal of destroying all organic life.

As for the organic ships, you could be right. There may have been a parallel evolution with the Reapers and their hatred of organics stems from some sort of confrontation that took place between the two emerging species.
Am I making any sense here or am I just gibbering?

[Dethateer]

If they wanted to completely eradicate life, then they wouldn't leave worlds with early forms of advanced life (i.e. Earth, for one) capable of sustaining organisms.

[Micon2]

Shades of Farscape and the Leviathan with respect to Sovereign,

I have not finished the ame and it may take me a while but I have watched the jumbled vision scenes that Shephard has had to date, in Embrace Eternity, and get the feeling that Sovereign is in these. whether in destruction or creation I am not sure,

The idea of a cyclical history has been around since the early middle ages and obviously was met with more than just disdain. (I mean way back then was heresy)

Then what about the Thorian, hard to believe that something that old would not see reaon

[Dethateer]

All the Reapers look the same, it could be any Reaper in those visions. But, good point, it is indeed odd that the Thorian survived so many cycles.

[ZOMBO6F]

I have a problem with the whole prdictable line of advancement due to the mass relays that the reapers expound.Wouldnt different species/cultures even different thought processes make for a large divergence of interpretations and applications of the tehnology?And if the reapers have been around long enough to have seen every permutation of that what are they gaining by destroying organics?i think their programming is stuck.shep has to find the reset button

[Dethateer]

That's exactly the point of the Mass Relays, to direct the technological development of the organic species towards a path that would make them easy pickings for the Reapers. And you can't interpret a Mass Relay as something that it's not, since it only does one thing: send ships through spahees. Listen to Vigil's explanation. Sovereign's too.

[Astranagant]

Play ME2. That's all I can say.

[Dethateer]

Gee, thanks for the suggestion. Has it occurred to you that it hasn't been delivered everywhere yet?

[DZX Dachande]

I get where you're coming from Dethateer, but I'm trying to look at this from the cold, hard, logical, and efficient perspective of a machine. Since space is infinite it is impossible to completely wipe out all life, or indeed the possibility of life occurring. At some point in it's past Earth was not capable of sustaining organic life, yet here we are today. My point is they are probably fully aware of the fact that they cannot prevent the spontaneous emergance of organic life, so instead chose the much more efficient path of just wiping out organic life just before it has achieved a level of technological advancement that could begin to represent a threat to them. 50,000 years ago our species was a threat to nothing and therefore not yet worth the time, effort and resources required to destroy. I hate to say it but there might be shades of The Matrix in there, where the existance of organics is tollerated, to a point at least.

[Dethateer]

That still doesn't explain why Terra (which had a more than flourishing ecosystem) and the homeworlds of the current Citadel species (which likely had at least primitive civilizations) were left alone. Exterminating the biospheres of such planets would delay the advent of life even more.