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[Adaar the Unbound]

I've played this game in every class, but with my mage it just feels way more personal and real for me. Does anyone else feel this way? They did always use a mage in the trailers and for the cover of the game. Did they mean to do that? 

[luna1124]

I have only completed this game once, and it was as a mage.

[themikefest]

I've played as a mage more than the other classes. The funny part is I've  sided with Meredith when playing as a mage more time than when playing as a warrior or rogue. Go figure.  I would rather have Bethany with me instead of Carver when playing as a mage. I also like some of the dialogue between a mage Hawke and Fenris.

[Hazegurl]

I agree. I've played a mage more times than I can count and I'm more invested in the story because of it. I sort of feel like Hawke was meant to be a mage more than anything. Connection to Warden Mage, Malcolm Hawke was a mage, legacy dlc, the big Templar/Mage conflict, more substance with Carver than Bethany. I like her but I think Carver is the better relative in terms of offering more personal conflict and resolution.

[Lucy Glitter]

I agree. I've played a mage more times than I can count and I'm more invested in the story because of it. I sort of feel like Hawke was meant to be a mage more than anything. Connection to Warden Mage, Malcolm Hawke was a mage, legacy dlc, the big Templar/Mage conflict, more substance with Carver than Bethany. I like her but I think Carver is the better relative in terms of offering more personal conflict and resolution.

 

Yeah his re-appearance as a Warden later is such a knife in the gut, the way he acts towards you... ouch.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Personally I think I enjoyed the non mage playthroughs more. In part because even though I liked Carver, I liked Bethany more.

[Truffle]

Ignoring the plot hole why a mage Hawke was allowed to exist outside the Circle walls and why none of the templars ever ever acted on it, I found the game to be enjoyable. It seemed like the story was more tailored to a mage than anyone else.

 

The only thing I hated was having to put up with Carver.

[EmissaryofLies]

Agreed. It felt almost personal for me. My Elven Mage in Origins had more than one horse in the race i.e. proving himself as a warden and a mage. It was a lot of fun and I enjoyed proving people wrong and blowing people up. I'll have to agree with the others in that Mage Hawke simply felt natural to the setting of DA II more than any other class. It was truly fantastic. Now we can only hope that Inquisition will allow a greater number of npcs and companions to react to a Mage Inquisitor accordingly. 

 

They used mages for their marketing because of the popularity of the class amongst its fanbase. And that's exactly why I have faith that mages are in good hands when it comes to future installments within the franchise. 

[Secretlyapotato]

Nah it always completely ruins it for me when my when mage hawke throws a knife at that one skeleton's head. >.> And I like Bethany more.

[Jaison1986]

I actually enjoyed being an rogue over an mage a lot more. Not only it's my favourite gameplay style, but the plot felt a lot more story oriented. Rather then playing a mage Hawke that needs to care only about themselves, my rogue needed to worry about Bethany constantly, and when she gets dragged away it really hits him close to home. One of the main factors for him to side with the mages.

[Br3admax]

When I play, it's pretty much always mage. And I actually like Carver because he's one of two characters who won't bend over backwards and change personalities just because Hawke yelled at them enough; whereas Bethany will bat an eyelash and let you kill her, because "Betrayal." Food for thought. 

[Jambie]

I've only just got around to doing a mage playthrough and I completely disagree. A rogue Hawke makes more sense to me than a mage Hawke, particularly because of Bethany.

 

Although, whilst I've never really enjoyed Bethany's character (boring with a dash of 'woe is me', boo), I think Carver is my favourite DA2 character. Certainly the best well written.

[congokong]

In both DA1 and DA2 I've only played mages. Besides liking the idea of mages they get special attention in the series. Are the words "warrior" or "rogue" ever even spoken? Mages are the outliers. They're feared and often misunderstood. Hawke being a mage makes their plight personal. It also makes more sense for the champion to be a mage since they're considered to be so potentially powerful. How else could the pc be so accomplished in battle? Even though a rogue/warrior can kill enemy mages fairly easy it still makes more sense for a mage to be a one-man army.

[BronzTrooper]

I prefer Bethany, so most of my Hawkes are non-mages (rogues or warriors).  Besides, I think that playing as a non-mage gives Hawke more of a reason to side with the mages because of Bethany being one.  I find it very hard to make a believable Hawke that agrees with the Templars.  It's just odd for someone to grow up in a family of mages and see magic as being dangerous.  I mean, I can see the sibling rivalry because of magic, but nothing more than that.  

[Adaar the Unbound]

As for the Bethany vs Carver thing, Carver was obviously a jerk but he was a jerk I loved to hate and I felt it was good conflict. I did it two different ways. I either made him a Templar and totally never resolved the conflict or made him a Warden and by the end of the game resolved our conflict. I think both ways were really cool in their own way, but I thought it was really sweet to have them slowly build up to a resolution. Plus, Carver in the Warden armor was pretty cool to me and his personality as a Warden was better. I could also respect him more as a Warden. 
 

[SwobyJ]

Most enjoyable? Maybe.

 

Most 'real'? Nah.

 

In fact, I don't think any of the Dragon Age titles are more centered around Mage. It's still a more optional, though very much supported path.

 

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Slight spoilers for games:

 

Spoiler

Dragon Age: Origins

-More of a Warrior (Warden) focus

-More Warrior companions (significantly) than others

 

(Awakening was more even on this)

 

Dragon Age 2

-More of a Warrior (Hawke..in itself) or Rogue (Kirkwall setting) focus

-Even main party members, but DLC gives more weight to Rogue

-Mage hits certain story things well, but feels less correct logically and aesthetically (story is less about being a mage torn between sides, than a non-mage torn between two external sides; mage just tones the script to be more personal feeling)

 

Dragon Age: Inqusition (what I predict)

-More of a Warrior (Inquisition) or Mage focus (Fade Tears) focus

-Even party members outright

-Hopefully, all 3 will make sense, but Warrior and Mage may have more story focus overall

 

What I hope for the game after Inquisition...

-More of a Mage or Rogue focus (aka no big 'inquisition army leader' feeling..)

-The direct Warrior story approach (which imo seems to be a main part of all 3 games) takes more of a backseat (DA:I being the start of this)

-Main story elements more demands a more delicate touch, like a Mage or Rogue

-Slightly more Mages or Rogues (by a factor of 1 or maybe 2) than Warriors

-More versatile class building in response to this; various tank/heal/damage cross-classing instead of more direct classes

 

 

I want to repeat that all 3 classes are supported by major elements of the story. However, I do feel that 1-2 are more supported than the other 1-2. Not in a negligent way, but just in a 'well we have to make some kind of core storyline and design' way.

 

If DA:I ends up with a ton of main story that supports a kind of Rogue story, I'll retract a lot of this. But so far, the 'leader of an Inquisition major faction army, having an automatic special Fade power' certainly doesn't sound like it is toned towards the Rogue this time.

 

[SwobyJ]

In both DA1 and DA2 I've only played mages. Besides liking the idea of mages they get special attention in the series. Are the words "warrior" or "rogue" ever even spoken? Mages are the outliers. They're feared and often misunderstood. Hawke being a mage makes their plight personal. It also makes more sense for the champion to be a mage since they're considered to be so potentially powerful. How else could the pc be so accomplished in battle? Even though a rogue/warrior can kill enemy mages fairly easy it still makes more sense for a mage to be a one-man army.

 

I've never taken Mages to be a one-man army in the story.

 

It tends to be that Mages feel and are often weak (compared to the stealth-and-strike Rogues, and sustained-physical Warriors) after a time, which pushes them to turn to Blood Magic/Demons .

 

But with a strong support group (emotionally, strategically, etc), the Mage is the most outright powerful, yeah.

 

Seeing an often so confident/aggressive Hawke Mage doesn't strike me as the most fitting, and I'm a Mage player/fan!

 

At the same time, yeah, I think there's so much Mage content around that it still works. I just don't consider it the 'main story class' (if there was to be one) in DA2. And I don't think it is in DA:O or will be in DA:I either (though DA:I will be the closest so far!). The Mage's day will come! And when it does, I think we'll all know it . For now, let the Warriors have their fun...

[KaiserShep]

Unlike DA:O, I actually enjoy playing a mage in DA2 a great deal, but as for making the story personal, since Bethany ends up in the Circle in my playthrough, that adds enough of a personal stake for me when deciding who to side with. My personal preference is toward having Bethany alive than Carver, so that will likely ensure that my mage playthrough remains at one.

[Milan92]

I vastly prefer Bethany over Carver. I also think the Arms of Mac Tir is the best looking armor in the game. So I always end up making a Rogue Hawke

[SwobyJ]

This is kinda like how I see the main story of the Mass Effect (trilogy) as more 'real', when being a Male Renegade Earthborn Sole Survivor Soldier. At least in this case they were more direct about it with Dragon Age.

 

(For the record, I am Male Paragade Spacer Sole Survivor Vanguard)

 

Does this mean:

-being Female is second rate? For the most part, absolutely not. There's a ton of content, and Female can even be more interesting.

-being Paragon is non-canon? For the most part, absolutely not. A HUGE amount of content is made just for you(/me ), just understand that you choices have to be accounted for to fit the main plot, instead of the other way around.

-being non-Earthborn is inappropriate? For the most part, absolutely not. But maybe ME3 will be a little more fitting if you were.

-being non-Sole Survivor is inappropriate? Absolutely not.

-being non-Soldier is wrong? NOPE. Sentinel, maybe Adept, and maybe Engineer don't usually seem 'as' correct, but it is YOUR Shepard, and the developers do make it all work. ("your Shepard" does not mean you do only all you want to do; it means that your choices almost all work with the story they're making)

 

 

I think of this in similar ways for Mages in especially DA:O (lots of good mage content but the plot doesn't seem as right for one), and somewhat DA2 (plenty of good mage emotional feel, but it doesn't always feel logically right for a mage to be running around like this).

But on the other hand, I think Mage fans will have a LOT for them in Dragon Age: Inquisition. Not everything revolved around them, sure, but at least a couple very major parts .

 

Personally I think Mage is the best. And I may agree with StreetMagic that it seems a bit redundant to be Human Male (Warrior) Noble in DA:O. I just think that the overall script is first fashioned for a certain class, and THEN devs work as much as they can around that. And if something doesn't work, they can just cut it.

 

Prediction - DA:I is still more for Human Male Warriors.

-It will have variations of things, maybe unique events for other races, but the races are fit to be as close to the Human situation as possible

-Female characters will have plenty of use, fit in the story, and exclusive content (mostly romance), so no one will be concerned about this

-Mages will get a boost in prominence imo, and Rogues will take more of the backseat, at least compared to DAII, but they'll still work *just fine*

 

My wish - Dragon Age After Inquistition will be more for Human Male Mages , and maybe spread out the focus to unique racial story tones. Give Warrior a (relative) rest...

 

Done repeating myself now

[KaiserShep]

Rogue Hawke is best Hawke.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah agreed OP story seems to be much better as a mage. At least then I can explain why Hawke doesn't just bounce after Leandra is dead. He can't.