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Story most enjoyable with a Mage character?

Débuté par Adaar the Unbound , avril 08 2014 04:05

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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 08:33

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I only wish DAO's combat was similar, so my elf could flight like that. Rogue Hawke fights like one of Peter Jackson's elves.
 
Anyways.. I think the mage thing is a bit secondary for DA2. The bulk of the game is more about a human commoner becoming a noble. It's like Dwarf commoner in DAO. Who just happens to juggle a lot of mage related issues (via family or companions). The marketing tries to push this whole Mage Che Guevara feel to it, but that's now how it feels in game. Just like the marketing for DAO was a bunch of bullshit.


I feel that I should be grateful for having no knowledge of the ads before either game. I really don't like the trailers for either of them.

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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 08:46

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Another thing I like having Bethany around as the family mage is it gives some insight on how the writers view a Hawke mage. Telling from her and some hints of Malcolm Hawke, they both seem like fairly cool, "Diplomatic" types. If left to the player, you can make your Hawke a radical hedge mage like Flemeth or Morrigan or you can copy Merrill or Anders. But if left to the writers, the Hawkes aren't that extreme it seems. The other thing is that specializations suck. I find it hard rationalizing them or how Hawke came to learn them (blood mage, spirit healer, etc). Same with Reaver for Warriors though. It requires more backstory, I think.


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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 08:58

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I don't really have a problem with spirit healer though I just invest in creation mage. Force mage is the sh*t though. I don't mess with blood mage though. It just seems like it...taints Hawke somehow.

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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:01

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I don't really have a problem with spirit healer though I just invest in creation mage. Force mage is the sh*t though.

 

Force mage is really cool, but I think Bethany has a better reason for representing that school. I don't have to invent a context for it (at least, if she's in the Circle). Merrill and Anders, blood mage and spirit healer respectively. Their whole storylines revolve around dealing with demons or fade spirits. Hawke has nothing, storywise.

 

If anything fits naturally to me, it's just something that works well with a lowly commoner from Ferelden. Like Beserker (ash warriors) or shadow (self taught rogues).


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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:06

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Hawke being taunt by his father who used to be a Kirkwall Circle mage isn't enough reason for the force mage specialization? That's what I used.


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#31
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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:07

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Yeah I can understand that. For the most part, I prefer my Hawke to be the regular person taking care of the sister with magical powers. Also, force/elemental/creation mage Bethany is awesome. I really love her perspective in Legacy.

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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:07

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Hawke being taunt by his father who used to be a Kirkwall Circle mage isn't enough reason for the force mage specialization? That's what I used.

 

I guess that works.

 

For the most part though, I should just say they dropped the ball on specializations in general.


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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:09

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True. I liked how in DAO you used to get teh specializations from certain characters/tomes. XD Hope that makes a bit of a comeback in DAI.


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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:21

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True. I liked how in DAO you used to get teh specializations from certain characters/tomes. XD Hope that makes a bit of a comeback in DAI.

 

Vivienne grants you the fashion specialization. Semi-confirmed rumor.


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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:21

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It's funny that they neglected it. Because they devote a lot of attention to specs when it comes to companions. It gives a lot of flavor to a character's storyarc. Fenris has his whole backstory on his tats (and being a sort of Spirit Warrior/Templar), Aveline is a Guardian type the minute you meet her.. everything about her reflects that. Varric is in love with Bianca. Isabela is a swashbuckler. What you see is what you get.

 

At least in DAO, you could escape copycatting and distinguish yourself in different ways. Ranger blends naturally with a Dalish hunter, with little need for explantion. Arcane Warrior is great for any mage, but especially badass for an elf (would've been better as a Dalish mage, but Circle mages care about lost lore too). While the others had some interesting quests. Especially Reaver and Blood mage.


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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:30

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Vivienne grants you the fashion specialization. Semi-confirmed rumor.


I hope there is a fashionista specialization.

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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 09:36

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When I think about it, Arcane Warrior/Battlemage

 

No one can be as unique as the Warden mage. There's no character that does anything similar. It'll be interesting if they bring those specs back in DAI (especially the two combined, because they make pretty good tanks).


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Posté 19 avril 2014 - 11:51

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I've consistently been able to come up with better RP backgrounds for mages than for any other class. I also find that Bethany is a bit too milquetoast after Act 1 to really enjoy having around.

 

Granted, there are parts of the plot that make more sense with a nonmage Hawke, in a way... I've just never enjoyed it quite so much. I also highly disagree about mages being weak.


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 12:53

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Most mages are very weak.

 

It's more because they have untapped power though. And then when they're cornered, they have to turn to evul or else perish.

 

A mage can be the most powerful being on Thedas. Most never come remotely close.


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 12:55

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Most mages are very weak.

 

It's more because they have untapped power though. And then when they're cornered, they have to turn to evul or else perish.

 

A mage can be the most powerful being on Thedas. Most never come remotely close.

But the same is true for warriors and rogues. Most are just anonymous mooks who die swiftly.

 

Blood magic isn't evil in any case.


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 01:08

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But the same is true for warriors and rogues. Most are just anonymous mooks who die swiftly.

 

Blood magic isn't evil in any case.

 

Most Warriors and Rogues are stronger than most mages.

 

This is by at least partially managed design though. Keeping Mages in Circles contains their power. Persecuting them keeps them even weaker.

 

IMO though, we're heading into an age of more magic and a Mage population that cannot be so contained, but alongside Warriors and Rogues that also pick up the slack (so no Tevinter empire is necessarily coming up).

 

Blood magic isn't evil. It's corruptive and sacrificial. One can just as well resist it, but many cannot, and will even gladly call upon abominations in order to preserve themselves and their magic. It's a risky practice, so like Mages overall, it is cracked down on.


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 01:47

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I've consistently been able to come up with better RP backgrounds for mages than for any other class. I also find that Bethany is a bit too milquetoast after Act 1 to really enjoy having around.

 

Granted, there are parts of the plot that make more sense with a nonmage Hawke, in a way... I've just never enjoyed it quite so much. I also highly disagree about mages being weak.

 

She is milquetoast, I'll give you that. But so is her mom. Makes me wonder about dad. I wouldn't doubt that family life was like that in general (barring Carver's quips). That voice of Malcolm booming in Legacy DLC seems like the exact kind of mage who would raise someone like Bethany. A moderate. A believer in the Maker. And someone who hated blood magic (and hated the Wardens too, for that matter). And someone who simply escaped the Circle for love. Not to be a radical or revolutionary.

 

Point being though, I wonder why any of my mages would be the apple falling far from the tree. I don't feel as flexible with RP backgrounds as you do. I feel pretty limited. Just like I did with Couslands. I'm certainly capable of imagining different backstories, but they don't flow as well as with other DAO origins.


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 02:13

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She is milquetoast, I'll give you that. But so is her mom. Makes me wonder about dad. I wouldn't doubt that family life was like that in general (barring Carver's quips). That voice of Malcolm booming in Legacy DLC seems like the exact kind of mage who would raise someone like Bethany. A moderate. A believer in the Maker. And someone who hated blood magic (and hated the Wardens too, for that matter). And someone who simply escaped the Circle for love. Not to be a radical or revolutionary.

 

Point being though, I wonder why any of my mages would be the apple falling far from the tree. I don't feel as flexible with RP backgrounds as you do. I feel pretty limited. Just like I did with Couslands. I'm certainly capable of imagining different backstories, but they don't flow as well as with other DAO origins.

I admit, I can't imagine why you don't think a mage Hawke couldn't be some sort of radical. I imagined a fair amount of friction between my Hawke and Malcolm; two strong personalities clashing, and all that.


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 06:05

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I admit, I can't imagine why you don't think a mage Hawke couldn't be some sort of radical. I imagined a fair amount of friction between my Hawke and Malcolm; two strong personalities clashing, and all that.

 

I guess they could clash, but then I'd have to wonder why Hawke stayed with family if that was the case.

 

And if he/she did actually leave for awhile, then I have a hard time picturing him/her doing much of anything on their own in Ferelden, as an independent mage wandering around. They should have created more impact as a free, radicalized mage. But Hawke didn't. He's a nobody until Kirkwall. I see DA2 as the period in their life when they finally spread their wings. That this is finally Hawke's time to shine. If there's a whole period where they already spread their wings back in Ferelden, then that sounds like a good story in itself. I'd like to play through it. Teenage mage angst causing a ruckus in Ferelden? Sounds way cooler than the clusterf*ck that is Kirkwall.


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 06:42

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 While mage does seem to have greater story relevance, I find it gets very tedious in gameplay. Warrior and rogue are a lot more fun to me.


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 06:50

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I find rogue class best suits my play style, because aside from preferring to slash and stab everything in sight, I like to run ahead of the team, and being able to disarm traps quickly is a major plus. Also, you just can't beat that dagger throw at the slaver during Feynriel's rescue (I'm sure it's available for warriors too, but still, too good to pass up).


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Posté 20 avril 2014 - 09:09

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I my main characters on Dragon age origins and dragon age II were mages, even though I'm still not convinced of my hawke running around kirkwall and the templars, staff in hand, and casting blood magic before them.


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Posté 21 avril 2014 - 09:39

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I find rogue class best suits my play style, because aside from preferring to slash and stab everything in sight, I like to run ahead of the team, and being able to disarm traps quickly is a major plus. Also, you just can't beat that dagger throw at the slaver during Feynriel's rescue (I'm sure it's available for warriors too, but still, too good to pass up).

 

Nothing tops the Brother Genetivi murder knife.


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Posté 22 avril 2014 - 06:52

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Lol. That Genetivi murder knife just seems so random. Several playthroughs and I never realized he can be killed in the temple. I just leave the high dragon alone so it's impossible to retrieve the urn.


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Posté 22 avril 2014 - 01:07

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Lol. That Genetivi murder knife just seems so random. Several playthroughs and I never realized he can be killed in the temple. I just leave the high dragon alone so it's impossible to retrieve the urn.

 

It is pretty random. I found it better to send him to Denerim before you get to the temple. Then never talk to him. The location of the Ashes simply disappears in the epilogue. But at least my Warden knows, just in case.


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