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[Adaar the Unbound]

In the first Act, you just werent caught using magic by a templar. (That one where you just used it right in front of Cullen without him doing anything was frustrating though) In the second Act, you were to powerful to be touched, and in the third Act you were the champion so even Meredith agreed not to arrest you.

[congokong]

In the first Act, you just werent caught using magic by a templar. (That one where you just used it right in front of Cullen without him doing anything was frustrating though) In the second Act, you were to powerful to be touched, and in the third Act you were the champion so even Meredith agreed not to arrest you.

 

There was also Emeric and Thrask, although Thrask was sympathetic towards the mages.

[Vegeta 77]

Most fun for me is a archer. I enjoy the story the most by helping the templars and getting beth in the wardens and away from that snake orsino.

[MCG]

I suppose I'll never know, but I'm playing as a warrior class male for my canon story at this very moment and don't desire it any other way. I don't know why, but I'm definitely leaning towards supporting the Templar's so far whilst trying to romance Merrill, it's not a too easy task. 

[Invisus11]

I normally only play Human 2H warrior. I agree about the overlap with Alistair and I often wondered that if I would play a tank instead of 2H warrior i could have a healer+dps mage+rogue archer... All ranged because of the AoE. On nightmare mode in DA2 I had to turn of the AoE in tactics because the party would kill of a rogue or in tight spaces do alot worse...

 

If I read "Gray Warden" for some reason it doesn't immediately ring a Mage bell... or Rogue one. I have tried to play as an archer a couple of times but mehhh... I enjoy warrior alot more! In the end I think it is alot easier to choose to save mages because of Bethany, than for the Templars. Also because you dont have a templar party member and Beth...well...she is your sis!!!

 

For me being a mage in DAII wouldn't add anything more to the game due to my/Hawke's protective nature towards Bethy. Besides... The times i rolled mage Beth dies and Carver lives. But for some reason my mages/rogues don't live past level 6 or so ^^

[Dabrikishaw]

I believe the story works the best as a Mage myself. 

[Xilizhra]

The more I think about it, it all works pretty well. I just think if they were to make a mage centric game, they could do better than this. It loses something by being a multi-class game. You can't totally customize the story around a class obviously. And I wouldn't expect that. It's just not enough for me to just outright say "Oh, this is best as a mage." It just isn't. It's fun in general.

 

That all said, I like standing outside of it a bit. Bethany, Anders, and Merrill represent a lot about different mages in their own way. Anders and Merrill don't do it on their own. Bethany adds an important angle (the Aequetarian/Loyalist angle) that isn't there if you play a mage Hawke. Unless you decide to play your own mage Hawke that way, that voice is lost. Even then, I think Bethany does a better job at it than Hawke does.

Orsino has that voice; he's pretty clearly an Aequitarian. Granted, he doesn't talk much, but he's around. And the Loyalist perspective is pretty much offered by Fenris and Sebastian.

[Xilizhra]

I don't consider either Loyalists. Not in the Fraternity sense. They're just outsiders, no different than some guy on the street. It's different dialogue coming from a mage.

I don't think Bethany is a Loyalist either.

[Xilizhra]

On a huge sidenote though, I find it oddly fitting if you do let Bethany die.

 

In that case, Wesley and Bethany die in the beginning together, and it kind of brings an end to that whole chapter of Aequetarians and Loyalists and Templars. I find it very symbolic if they both are gone. Flemeth's words have more bite then.

 

"Without an end, there can be no peace."

 

 

So the story works that way as well.

I still see nothing wrong with Hawke being willing to push for mage freedom somewhat more than Bethany.

[X Equestris]

I'd say Bethany fits the Aequitarians the best, considering that Malcolm seemed like one, and he was the one who educated her and Mage Hawke. The values system he and Bethany espouse fits the Aequitarians stance the most.

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, probably not. More aequartarian, I'd say (that is, if she comes into the Circle).

 

She's not easy to pin down actually. I just think she's not Merrill or Anders. She's another voice. I think a vital one, but that's up for all to decide, I guess.

Her voice is far too passive. Orsino has a much better mix of caution and wanting to protect his fellow mages; Bethany could have done far better to follow his example.

 

 

I didn't say anything was wrong with it. I'm just saying Bethany has a unique role of her own. One that Hawke never quite fills.

I don't think it's a good role, in its implementation.

[Xilizhra]

Fair enough. I disagree. I like Bethany, and it's the fact that her role can't be filled as easily by Hawke is what I find interesting. You can be like Merrill or Anders -- you can even take up Carver's mantle.. but Bethany not so much.

 

I think Orisino is on the brink of Libertarianism, actually. More than Rhys is in the novels, but not as extreme as Anders either.

Rhys is a Libertarian outright, whereas Orsino's stance is strongly implied by the Aequitarian Robes he gives you.

[Xilizhra]

Yes, but he's still a rabble rouser. He's vocal and impatient. Plus, he's dealing with Meredith 24/7. Who wouldn't be somewhat of a libertarian then? lol. He isn't much of an apologist nor plays subtle games well like Irving or Wynne do (like she does with the Divine).

It's not like subtle games can be played with Meredith; she has no patience for them (and is also not banging Orsino on the side the way I strongly suspect Greagoir is Irving).

[Xilizhra]

I think they could be played. Thrask did it in his own way. Orsino is more about showing his cards and forcing issues upfront.

Orsino is in part a distracter, one who keeps Meredith's attention occupied with someone she can't just crush and lessens her effect on the weaker mages.

[Xilizhra]

I really can't picture them banging btw.

 

They probably should've though. That's probably the root of everything. Nobody is getting laid enough.

I don't really see another logical conclusion. The amount of emotional weight Greagoir puts on Irving's survival, not to mention his mere word that the Circle is safe, is too great for them to just be colleagues. The Circle doesn't seem to have been involved in fighting enough for them to be wartime friends, and they don't seem to have enough common interests to be regular friends. Additionally, I think my hypothesis better fits their relationship that seems wholly adversarial until it's suddenly protective.