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[Face of Evil]

Why is this discussion centred on Hawke? The Warden is capable of FAR greater acts of villainy than the Champion.

[KaiserShep]

Why is this discussion centred on Hawke? The Warden is capable of FAR greater acts of villainy than the Champion.

This would have to assume a few things about each character. My human noble warrior is no more capable of doing awful things than any mage.

[Stelae]

 I get the F!Warden wouldn't have that issue since the taint is like birth control or whatever, though we know female GWs have gotten pregnant before.

 

I got the impression that GW sterility was a gradual and unreliable thing.

 

Alistair is still capable of fathering a child, and he's been a GW longer than the Warden.   And given that some of my Wardens and LIs were, frankly, at it like rabbits, I'd be very surprised if they didn't end up with kids.  Especially the one who became queen of Fereldan.  And that's before you do any hand-waving with Avernus' draft, which is a handy piece of plot-devicium, should a Therin heir or similar become necessary.

 

ETA:  you know what would be hilarious?  If my Warden was pregnant when she killed the Archdemon, and the spirit of the Archdemon went into her child rather than Morrigan's.  I'd laugh and laugh and laugh

[Maiden Crowe]

Him going suddenly evil wouldn't make much sense.

 

Apparently Loghain did it and also switched back and he was considered "THE BEST ANTAGONIST EVAR!!!!!!"

[ziloe]

I always said the Warden would be better, if it turned out Morrigan had been evil and the warden romanced her. It would be awesome to have to fight him, while he's defending her, and with all the abilities and strength you gave him.

[wright1978]

I can't really get on board with that idea. But then, much of this has to do with the fact that I like the games I own to hold some of its replay value. If they decided to toss Hawke in as some goofy villain character or antagonist, or made it so Varric's story turned out to be a lie, I can safely say that there's no point in ever firing up that game again.

Yeah the notion of throwing out there that Varric was lying about da2 would pretty much make me disown the series. What's the point of role playing a character to then have it retrospectively completely twisted.

[Cainhurst Crow]

They stick with default hawke and make him a nihilistic *******, who wants to kill all the mages, templars, elves, dwarves, nobles, and criminals in the world, to create a utopia where everyone is equal and helps each other out of their own free will. Where people don't need to scrap by and make themselves useful to the upper classes in order not to be killed. He'll kill as many people as it takes, to free the many from the tyranny of the few.

 

[Thumb Fu]

I like Hawke, and i like her story. It might not be as epic as the Wardens and span an entire country, but it does span an entire decade and we get to see how her life, and that of her friends and allies, progresses. 

 

In addition. MY Hawke wasn't a villain, they were a good person, and probably so was a lot of peoples, and making them a villain or antagonist isn't going to work in a whole lot of circumstances for a whole lot of people. Having them return would be great, but they would need to be the same person they were for the player in the previous game. My 2 cents.

[Ap0crypha]

I hope not. A boss fight with my SH/GM regenerating pseudo-tank Hawke would take forever.

 

In all seriousness, the Warden is more likely to be a villain if he's male, romanced Morrigan, and she's an antagonist. And even then, it would depend on your Warden's personality. Unless some sort of brainwashing was involved, I don't think either the Warden or Hawke will be a villain--too many ways for it to go wrong, too many ways for fans to scream how Bioware ruined their character.

[Shadow Fox]

Why is this discussion Always centered on Hawke? The Warden is just as capable of great acts of villainy as the Champion.

Fixed

[BubbleDncr]

Hawke only makes sense as a villian to me, if Hawke was pro-mage and the Inquisitor chooses to be anti-mage. Or pro-templar and you're anti-templar.

 

And that said, I had an evil mage Hawke who would probably attack and kill a pro-templar Inquisitor no problem, but I also had a displomatic, noble, pro-templar Hawke who would really only fight a pro-mage Inquisitor if they were forced to.

 

I doubt it's possible for them to figure out if the player thinks their Hawke would actually be the personality type to prefer to fight or be diplomatic with an Inquisitor of opposing views, based only of choices filled out in the keep, so it would probably just anger players if Hawke showed up as an antagonist.

[Nefla]

I can't see Hawke as the villain. An effective villain has to be competent, clever, effective, able to lead, manipulate, plot and scheme. Hawke just blundered from one event to the next, always someone elses pawn and never able to change her circumstances or orchestrate anything. She might make a powerful henchman for someone else but not the main villain.

[Mockingword]

I would not be thrilled.

 

But since all my characters follow my own basic moral principles, I don't see how Hawke or any of my Inquisitors could possibly conflict.

[Cainhurst Crow]

All of these objections for hawke as a villain applied to revan from knights of the old republic as well.

 

Just keep that in mind. Though revan isn't a villain if you play on the republics side, then he's an ally who goes rogue. You gotta be with the empire in order to pursue and end his life, before he kills everyone in the empire.

[Ryzaki]

I can't see Hawke as the villain. An effective villain has to be competent, clever, effective, able to lead, manipulate, plot and scheme. Hawke just blundered from one event to the next, always someone elses pawn and never able to change her circumstances or orchestrate anything. She might make a powerful henchman for someone else but not the main villain.

 

Yeah I could see hawke being the dragon. But the actual big bad? Naaah.

[DRTJR]

If either of our protagonist were to become Evil, I would think The Warden is the more likely choice.

[Sifr]

If either of our protagonist were to become Evil, I would think The Warden is the more likely choice.

 

Agreed. The Warden has a lot more options to be morally grey or just an outright monster at times, look at the "No Compromise" default history you can choose from DA2, that Warden was a villain protagonist if there ever was one.

 

But I do actually like the idea of the Warden being an antagonist for part of the story. Not a villain, but someone who's goals simply don't align with our own and who from their perspective is being prevented from saving the world by our Inquisition.

 

Since it's been implied we might have the option to capture abandoned (or even possibly occupied) Warden fortresses, you could see how from the Warden's point of view, why that would make us the villain?

[I Like Cats And]

I'm totes down with my Warden being a villan or something like that. He went through the Eluvian with Morrigan, though I think Morrigan may be a "good guy" in the game but if I'm wrong screw it.