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[KaiserShep]

I'm ashamed to admit that I've never played any Baldur's Gate game.

[AlanC9]

Why canonize an end to the supposed high-level narrative of the series when you could literally fulfill unlimited amount of creative potential without provoking a backlash from 2/3rds of your fanbase?

You sure about that 2/3 figure? I don't know if fans of the endings are equally distributed, for one thing.

[SporkFu]

I'm ashamed to admit that I've never played any Baldur's Gate game.

Personally I find it difficult to go back and play those older games again. Every time I try I only seem to stay interested for about an hour or so. Luckily I played the crap out of them all when they first came out.

[AlanC9]

I'm ashamed to admit that I've never played any Baldur's Gate game.

I haven't played the new edition, so I'll let others do the recommending. In relevant part, and non-spoilery, your PC is kidnapped in the opening by a wizard who wants to use your PC's power for his own ends. There's a jailbreak, of course, and the wizard and one of your companions are gone. To get at him you need cash, and lots of it. The bulk of the game is various sidequests to raise cash, plus a couple of mandatory missions that have nothing to do with the wizard. When you've done enough of these (or all of them if you feel like it) you head after him, then a thing happens, and another thing happens, and he gets away again. So you chase him some more through a couple more mandatory unrelated missions. Then there's an opportunity to do more of the side missions. Then there are some more mandatory missions leading to the final conflict.

So it's basically ME2 in that most of what you're doing has nothing to do with the wizard. Even more disconnected since at least ME2 recruitment and LMs relate to the endgame, though of course the side missions give loot and experience in the usual way.

[Mcfly616]

You sure about that 2/3 figure? I don't know if fans of the endings are equally distributed, for one thing.

sure? Ofcourse not. Can anybody really be?


But it's a funny thing, atleast from my perspective. Destroyers and Controllers seem to be about 'even' here on the BSN. (60-40 one side or the other, maybe? Probably closer to 55-45.)


But the BSN is literally only a tiny fraction of the fanbase. I know and have met some people that have never signed up on BSN. Some of them have never even heard of it. And yet, some of these guys own every Mass Effect novel, every comic. They're some of the franchise's biggest fans. And most of these types I meet.....they prefer Synthesis.

Yeah, it's only from my personal experience. But BSN seems to be about even on Control and Destroy. All the Mass Effect fans I meet outside of the internet (which is a good amount of gamers on a daily basis), most of them actually choose and 'like' Synthesis.


I'm just saying...if you go the route of a sequel, you 'knowingly' ****** off a sizeable fraction of your fanbase right from the get-go, rather than making an attempt at surprising everyone with a unique story entirely possible before Shepard even comes about.

[shodiswe]

I haven't played the new edition, so I'll let others do the recommending. In relevant part, and non-spoilery, your PC is kidnapped in the opening by a wizard who wants to use your PC's power for his own ends. There's a jailbreak, of course, and the wizard and one of your companions are gone. To get at him you need cash, and lots of it. The bulk of the game is various sidequests to raise cash, plus a couple of mandatory missions that have nothing to do with the wizard. When you've done enough of these (or all of them if you feel like it) you head after him, then a thing happens, and another thing happens, and he gets away again. So you chase him some more through a couple more mandatory unrelated missions. Then there's an opportunity to do more of the side missions. Then there are some more mandatory missions leading to the final conflict.

So it's basically ME2 in that most of what you're doing has nothing to do with the wizard. Even more disconnected since at least ME2 recruitment and LMs relate to the endgame, though of course the side missions give loot and experience in the usual way.

That's the plot of BG2.

[SwobyJ]

BSN - Many like Control

Other Internetters - Many like Destroy

In Persons - Many like Synthesis

 

I've found Destroy to be the most popular overall, but Control to have an actually strong presence, but lots of people one meets actually see Synthesis as the perfect ending that they picked. Synthesizers just don't so often tend to be online fans - and they still are a minority imo, just not AS small as it seems.

[KaiserShep]

I'm just saying...if you go the route of a sequel, you 'knowingly' ****** off a sizeable fraction of your fanbase right from the get-go, rather than making an attempt at surprising everyone with a unique story entirely possible before Shepard even comes about.

 

A prequel is no safer. It will no doubt tick people off as well.

[Mcfly616]

A prequel is no safer. It will no doubt tick people off as well.

yes, but those people it initially 'ticks off', is due to the fact that it's taking place 'before' other events we've experienced.


Whereas the alternative is ticking off (or atleast contradicting) every person who did not pick the one ending selected by BW as the 'canon' choice.


You see the difference, yes? One is based on preconceptions, the other is literally railroading on the part of the developer. I know you have a distaste for "prequels", Kaiser. I don't really define a prequel as others do. But everybody has their perspective. See, I think there's some interesting stories left to tell in the Star Wars Expanded Universe before the Empire is even defeated in RotJ. Hell, I think as long as there's millions of people in a galaxy, then there's millions of stories to be told. Regardless of the state the galaxy is in.


I don't write off the fantastic journey that is Saving Private Ryan because I know that exactly 4 years after the events of the film that Hitler commits suicide and we vaporize a quarter million people over in Asia. No, to me....those are still their own stories.



Idk....if the next Mass Effect becomes an unforgettable individual/companion/group journey taking place 'before' the events of ME3 (or sh*t, why not ME1?).....I'm not gonna look at it and be like "Oh, but what about the Reapers?", and judge everything by that speculation alone. Whatever type of story it attempts to tell, I'll judge it on its own merits.

[SporkFu]

If the game is set in the past we all know the reapers happen eventually, and if you go back to any cycle prior to this one, then the reapers also kill almost everything, so who cares about anything else? I mean, I can still play the trilogy even though I know what happens, but I don't want to do it again with something new. Not knowing the reapers are out there waiting. It's kinda like talking to Javik during the party at Anderson's apartment (if you played the citadel DLC, and if you haven't you should feel bad). He says something like, "50,000 years from now, no one will remember this party. What is the point?"

 

I'm not saying the next game should be set 50,000 years into the future, but it should be set at least in the future.

[Mcfly616]

I never said anything about playing in a previous cycle.


But I'm of the opinion that there were definitely some Bad Ass individuals going on some crazy ass journeys, discovering some weird sh*t, and consequently having goddamn amazing stories to tell, all before Shepard ever became the first human Spectre. But hey, I'm not really one of those people that says The Last Samurai sucks because Japan gets nuked less than a century after the events in the film. Or that KotOR is pointless because hey, eventually the 'Good Guys' win and balance is brought to The Force.



If an amazing individual died yesterday....an individual that has gone places and seen stuff and done things that only the most brilliant/outgoing/luckiest/craziest people get to do. You're telling me one of those crazy adventures wouldn't be the least bit entertaining to you because of the simple fact that you know that this man is now dead?

Hmm life (and every journey) must be a bummer with a mindset like that. Whether you like it or not, one day our people are gonna go the way of the Dinosaurs. All of us. Maybe not a single story our pathetic race has to tell means a damned thing to the Cosmos. But I laugh at the individual that says there's not a good/interesting one to tell.

[SporkFu]

Wow, you really took a leap there in applying my views on the next mass effect game to everything that's ever happened or will happen. Those crazy adventures are entertaining as movies or books or even a codex entries, but I don't want to play a game based on them. I mean, if I could go back in time, it'd be as an observer, not as someone who could change things.

[CronoDragoon]

Wait Destroy and Control are about even on BSN?

[rekn2]

its just speculation. come back with actual figures

[Han Shot First]

Wait Destroy and Control are about even on BSN?

 

Just about every ending poll I saw on the old forums, including a couple where a few hundred people voted, had Destroy winning in a landslide. I never saw Destroy get less than 60% of the vote, and usually it garnered closer to 2/3 of all the votes. I think it is safe to say that it was far and away the fan favorite ending.

[Bob from Accounting]

I wonder when they're going to announce it.

 

E3, maybe. They almost certainly want to minimize the time between ME 4's announcement and DA:I's release. Might even wait until after DA:I is released altogether.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Wait Destroy and Control are about even on BSN?

 

I doubt it, aside from Seival, I can't actually think of any control choosers aside from myself lol.

[Farangbaa]

I doubt it, aside from Seival, I can't actually think of any control choosers aside from myself lol.

 

*waves*

[AlanC9]

Just about every ending poll I saw on the old forums, including a couple where a few hundred people voted, had Destroy winning in a landslide. I never saw Destroy get less than 60% of the vote, and usually it garnered closer to 2/3 of all the votes. I think it is safe to say that it was far and away the fan favorite ending.

However, BSN polls are almost always different from actual Bio tracking data. For instance, players pick the geth over the quarians far more often than a BSN poll will indicate.

Which doesn't tell us much about the current question. It may be that Destroy is even more popular among players as a whole.

[Iakus]

I'm just saying...if you go the route of a sequel, you 'knowingly' ****** off a sizeable fraction of your fanbase right from the get-go, rather than making an attempt at surprising everyone with a unique story entirely possible before Shepard even comes about.

 

For once, I actually agree.  Mostly.

 

But I think a complete reboot would be better than a prequel.  The Reapers and their resolution ended up breaking the Mass Effect base.  Time to throw them away and start fresh.  A prequel would mean we the players know the Reapers are out there.  Any conflict will reflect that.

[rekn2]

For once, I actually agree.  Mostly.

 

But I think a complete reboot would be better than a prequel.  The Reapers and their resolution ended up breaking the Mass Effect base.  Time to throw them away and start fresh.  A prequel would mean we the players know the Reapers are out there.  Any conflict will reflect that.

im for them remaking me3 entirely

[AlanC9]

I doubt it, aside from Seival, I can't actually think of any control choosers aside from myself lol.

Well, now you've got Psychevore and me.

I don't see often Control fans posting about the superiority of their preferred ending, though.

[AlanC9]

That's the plot of BG2.

Um... yeah. That's what we were talking about.

[AlanC9]

I'm just saying...if you go the route of a sequel, you 'knowingly' ****** off a sizeable fraction of your fanbase right from the get-go, rather than making an attempt at surprising everyone with a unique story entirely possible before Shepard even comes about.

OK, we don't really disagree on the numbers.

But I'm with KaiserShep. I don't see a prequel as being any less risky.

[Tyrannosaurus Rex]

Well, now you've got Psychevore and me.

I don't see often Control fans posting about the superiority of their preferred ending, though.

 

I think that is because some of the appeals of control are ... taboo in our society perhaps?