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The Totally Spoilerific Thread for discussing the The Masked Empire. With Spoilers.


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Dean_the_Young

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Obvious Warning: This thread will contain spoilers. So many, in fact, that they won't even be in spoiler tags.

 

No, seriously. Lots of spoilers, for people who are comfortable reading and talking about spoilers.

 

If you don't like spoilers, go somewhere else.

 

 

Okay?

 

 

 

 

You gone yet?

 

 

 

 

If you're still here, it's your own fault, you know.

 

 

 

 

Okay.

 

For everyone else, this is a story/campaign/character centric thread to talk about the Masked Empire, spoilers and all, and for speculation about how it might impact DAI. How do you feel about the active use of the ever-mysterious Eluvians? How about that civil war between you know who and she who must not be named? And those Dalish in Orleans who don't seem interested in helping the city elf rebellion?

 

Note the lack of spoiler tags? That's because this whole thread is so spoilerific, it's beside the point.

 

 

Now, we just need some people willing to ask questions, and others who have read to answer them...

 

 

Start!



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I haven't read the book, but I love spoilers, anyway.

 

I'm excited to hear about the Eluvians playing a big part of this plot, as I was very interested in them from the past games. I'm interested in finding out more about how they got them, how they got them working and what they think they can do with them in the book. Anyone want to elaborate?


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So basically I can't afford this book for a while, and I really want to know what happens :3 so could somebody fill me in please? xD



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Well, the elves get good and bad news. City elves get good, sort of (Celene's elvish lover splits from her due to Celene being the one who wronged her in the past and decides to back the city-elf struggle, she ends up figuring out how to use Eluvians to aid their cause), while the Dalish get bad news in terms of some seriously bad reputation gigs. At one point Celene bets on pan-elvish sentiment by making an offer of giving the Dalish authority and influence over the Dales in exchange for letting her move on- the Dalish clan in question basically spits on her offer, and the city elves, and says they'd only consider returning once both the humans and city elves were dead.

 

Plus, uh, the ancient elves practiced slavery and are compared to Orlais, rather than some pan-elven progressive utopia. Cue schadenfreude from some people.

 

 

And did we mention that a Forbidden One was summoned?


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Do they say what they think the Eluvians will actually be useful for, though? I mean, are they just gates between each other? To what purpose do they plan to use them?



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My name, among our people, means ‘slow arrow.’ It comes from a story in which the god Fen’Harel was asked by a village to kill a great beast. He came to the beast at dawn, and saw its strength, and knew it would slay him if he fought it. So instead, he shot an arrow up into the sky. The villagers asked Fen’Harel how he would save them, and he said to them, ‘When did I say that I would save you?’ And he left, and the great beast came into the village that night and killed the warriors, and the women, and the elders. It came to the children and opened its great maw, but then the arrow that Fen’Harel had loosed fell from the sky into the great beast’s mouth, and killed it. The children of the village wept for their parents and elders, but still they made an offering to Fen’Harel of thanks, for he had done what the villagers had asked.

 

a.k.a "How the Inquisitor saved Orlais"



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We seriously need a detailed synopsis.



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We seriously need a detailed synopsis.

 

That'll probably be on the Wiki in a couple of days



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Maybe someone who finished it could list the really important spoilery events for people who can't get the book? Pretty please?  :rolleyes:



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I can't say I finished it, but the biggest event is the reactivation of the Eluvian network.

 

Eluvians seem to work like the webway of Warhammer 40k: you enter a parallel dimension of sort (not Thedas, not the Fade) and can enter/exit in Thedas where there is a mirror. It's not quite the relay network of ME, but it's an obvious and considerable advantage.

 

Celene's city-elf lover, after she quits, basically gets control of this network after a Dalish clan releases a Forbidden One who creates a control gem to control the network. She uses it to dump Celene and Gaspard in opposite parts of Orlais as the civil war prepares to kickoff, and intends to use it for the city elf rebellion of sorts.

 

Why does a Forbidden One create a gem? Not sure. But the Eluvian realm is dangerous- there's one of those elvish beasties guarding the central mirror- and it's clear the demon knows far more about it than the city elves who will soon be using it.

 

Also, other subtle hints at a fade entity who are helping push this all together, via an ex-Dalish mage. Mysterious.


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I am still loving the fact the Elves enslaved each other in Antiquity.

 

Has to be the best revelation from TME yet :D


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That's interesting. I wonder if it will make any difference in the plot if you encouraged Merrill to keep her Eluvian. I wonder if it will come up again, if they're a major plot element. 



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I'm reading it right now. No great reveals so far, only a confirmation that Celene intended to marry Cailan and have the nation backing Orlais against Nevarra and Tevinter so "Go Loghain".

Also, I found it amusing how they made a point of telling the reader that Ser Michel, Celene's champion, was trained in the use of light and Heavy armor, of two-handed weapons, sword and shield and double wielding. Thanks for letting us know that class restrictions will be lifted in DAI.



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I'm reading it right now. No great reveals so far, only a confirmation that Celene intended to marry Cailan and have the nation backing Orlais against Nevarra and Tevinter so "Go Loghain".

Also, I found it amusing how they made a point of telling the reader that Ser Michel, Celene's champion, was trained in the use of leather and Heavy armor, of two-handed weapons, sword and shield and double wielding. Thanks for letting us know that class restrictions will be lifted in DAI.

Do you mean Nevarra supports Tevinter, or the two are just separately against Orlais?



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Do you mean Nevarra supports Tevinter, or the two are just separately against Orlais?

The latter.



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The latter.

 

Nevvarra doesn't have a chance against Orlais if the Empire could catch its breath, The Imperium isn't doing anything worth an invasion.

 

All Celene wanted was a bufferzone between her and invasion.

 

She didn't need additional troops, she needed a place to fight a war with out messing up her own country.



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Maybe someone who finished it could list the really important spoilery events for people who can't get the book? Pretty please?  :rolleyes:

 

There isn't much lore-wise, the real spoilers will just spoil the book for you.  The only *major* revelation is how the Eluvians work--they open onto another world (that is pleasant for elves but somewhat inimical for humans) that connects them together.  It's a big fast-travel system, pretty much.

Of course, it may have other, hidden aspects.  But the fast-travel aspect seems to be of primary importance.  Oh, and it has an activation password, so not just anyone can wander up and use it.


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That's interesting. I wonder if it will make any difference in the plot if you encouraged Merrill to keep her Eluvian. I wonder if it will come up again, if they're a major plot element. 

 

The real interesting part is how the Eluvians might be used. They're considered rare and all, but now they can almost all be claimed in short order and used by Briala. Maybe smuggle them into Alienages to allow them to reinforce eachother?

 

About the only way I can imagine a cross-continental elven uprising at this point, if that ever was an intent. Doubt it, but it's established as possible now.

 

There isn't much lore-wise, the real spoilers will just spoil the book for you.  The only *major* revelation is how the Eluvians work--they open onto another world (that is pleasant for elves but somewhat inimical for humans) that connects them together.  It's a big fast-travel system, pretty much.

 

Ah, I suspect she's more than willing to have the books be spoiled for her if she's in this thread and asking.


Of course, it may have other, hidden aspects.  But the fast-travel aspect seems to be of primary importance.  Oh, and it has an activation password, so not just anyone can wander up and use it.

 

 

I can't be the only one who doesn't see that as a long-term solution.

 

 

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I am still loving the fact the Elves enslaved each other in Antiquity.

 

Has to be the best revelation from TME yet :D

 

About time they were knocked off their pedestal.  :D



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Do please take the gloating over to The Exalted Plains thread. You can have fun with Lobsel there, and keep this thread a bit more professional. Please? For me?



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Get this, the orlesians actually carefully plant entire forests in just the right manner so that the lords can hunt in them without actually having to go to actual woods and risk having their horses break their legs amongst other hunting-related incidents.



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The real interesting part is how the Eluvians might be used. They're considered rare and all, but now they can almost all be claimed in short order and used by Briala. Maybe smuggle them into Alienages to allow them to reinforce eachother?

 

About the only way I can imagine a cross-continental elven uprising at this point, if that ever was an intent. Doubt it, but it's established as possible now.

I'm interested in how they could be used, also. I'm also interested in whether or not it could have something to do with the veil rifts. Some people theorized before that the Eluvians could have something to do with them. This definitely lends a bit more credit to the theory that they're involved. I remember someone specifically pitching the idea that someone was manipulating the elves into using the Eluvians just a few days ago. Looks like maybe they had it. 

 

I would think the main problem with the elves using them as an invasion method is that it sort of hinges on the protecting all the gates, right? I mean, if they lose a gate, then the opposition would be able to reach them beyond the fade and at their other gates, right? Seems like a risky strategy. They'd only be as strong as their weakest link, basically. 



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So does anyone want to make a spoiler-filled plot synopsis for the non-book fans here? 



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I'm interested in how they could be used, also. I'm also interested in whether or not it could have something to do with the veil rifts. Some people theorized before that the Eluvians could have something to do with them. This definitely lends a bit more credit to the theory that they're involved. I remember someone specifically pitching the idea that someone was manipulating the elves into using the Eluvians just a few days ago. Looks like maybe they had it. 

 

I would think the main problem with the elves using them as an invasion method is that it sort of hinges on the protecting all the gates, right? I mean, if they lose a gate, then the opposition would be able to reach them beyond the fade and at their other gates, right? Seems like a risky strategy. They'd only be as strong as their weakest link, basically. 

 

The control network aspect of the central eluvian implies that you can just use an eluvian once you find it- other conditions and such must be met as well. Then there's also the point that the Fade Tears/invasion may simply be a byproduct of something else: either a distraction to a different goal (if you believe the rumors that the true instigator is using them as a distraction while it breaks into the Black City), or a consequence/means to something else. Invasion and conquest doesn't have to be the goal, after all.

 

 

I suspect that the Dalish Dreamer's fade boss is the source behind the Veil tears, but I'm torn on whether I should suspect the Eluvians to be the tear points or not. Not all of them, per say, but rather that the eluvian network gets corrupted such that eluvians not secured/in use (such as those used by the City elves) could be corrupted/turned into tears in the fade.

 

On one hand, it makes some sense both in terms of set-up, causation, and loosely defined mechanics. The Fade Boss clearly has knowledge, influence, and manipulation at play, and so the activation and subsequent corruption of the Eluvian network is an indirect but reasonable outcome of its efforts: a process that it could initiate and expect to be fullfilled when the time is right (as it is now). The scattering of the Eluvians... might not explain the tear in the sky, per say, but could explain other tears: if certain eluvians could be made into tears, then long-forgotten or inaccessible eluvians (like, say, at the bottom of a lake) could explain the placement of some tears. Others, like in the sky, might be a reflection of the disturbance points. And to round it up, the idea that the eluvians are already weak points in the material/magical realm make them logical weak points of the Veil to start a tear from and to re-seal it at.

 

(I might have had a little of The Order of the Stick and the snarl tears on my mind when I thought that.)

 

It also helps a general 'status quo is god' aspect of the setting if something as potentially game-changing as the Eluvians were rolled up and destroyed/sealed in a short period of time. The Eluvians trigger great impacts before they are sealed once again, etc. etc.

 

Plus, if the Eluvians are a part of the problem, then ancient elven knoweldge would logically be a part of the solution. Hence visiting Arlathan.

 

 

 

On the other hand... well, not much else but that it seems a bit obvious. Which doesn't mean the eluvians being fade tears in the waiting is necessarily correct, or that there couldn't be big ass caveats to it, but it seems a reasonable sort of speculation so long as it is remembered as such.


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Get this, the orlesians actually carefully plant entire forests in just the right manner so that the lords can hunt in them without actually having to go to actual woods and risk having their horses break their legs amongst other hunting-related incidents.

That was actually a rather common thing in medieval and renaissance Europe. Nobles would plant huge hunting reserves that they, and only they, could use at their pleasure for hunting.


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