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[The Hierophant]

Don't forget about the potential to slaughter the Werewolves.

[Lenimph]

You mean, except for when you burn everyone in Amaranthine alive? Or when you massacre every living person in Haven?

This... 
Also I feel like theres more...
 

Warden vanished, Hawke vanished, Leliana separated from Warden regardless of any excuses. And there's no means to maintain such a relationship in this world without Eluvians.

Nothing to say that Hawke's LI isn't missing with them.

Both Morrigan and Briala have proved that this is not a world without Eluvians... 
 

[FireAndBlood]

You mean, except for when you burn everyone in Amaranthine alive? Or when you massacre every living person in Haven? 

You can let everyone in Redcliffe die as well.

 

Man the Dalish have it easy.

[LobselVith8]

You mean, except for when you burn everyone in Amaranthine alive? Or when you massacre every living person in Haven? 

 

You don't massacre every living person in Haven, as a number of them hold funeral rites for the ones who have perished, and Amaranthine was about the incursion of darkspawn, without slanting the behavior of the inhabitants in such a way to make the player feel comfortable with massacring them (which seems to be the case with a plethora of people who express how they want to massacre the Dalish again).

[AresKeith]

This... 

Also I feel like theres more... 

 

There's Redcliffe, the Werewolves if you choose the Dalish over them

 

I should also add that the Dalish in DA2 attacks you

[Lenimph]

I'm pretty sure everyone in Haven dies if you don't choose to side with the cultists... 

 

And yes the clan attacks  you in DA2 but it's also easily avoidable if you can handle the conversation properly and I'm quite tired of people complaining about it. 

[FireAndBlood]

I'll do you one better.

 

Aveline/Donnic. Eamon/Isolde. Fenris/Isabela if you count that. Wade/Herren. Cammen/Gheyna. True, the majority of these will require the player to not screw them up, but the point is that they can be worked out; absolutely none of the lesbian ones can.

They killed Wesley before Aveline got her happy ending. Fenris can be given over to Tevinter or killed along with the Templars and Isabela can be handed over to the Arishok. Cammen can die in the forest or the Warden can sleep with Ghenya instead and ruin any chance of a relationship. Isolde can either be killed by a blood magic ritual or she dies giving childbirth in the epilogue slides. Wade and Herren do end up living happily.

 

All relationships suffer in Dragon Age, trying to make it sound like the writers have a personal vendetta against lesbian couples is absurd.

[LobselVith8]

I'm pretty sure everyone in Haven dies if you don't choose to side with the cultists... 

 

No, they don't, because there are survivors.

 

And yes the clan attacks  you in DA2 but it's also easily avoidable if you can handle the conversation properly and I'm quite tired of people complaining about it. 

 

That has nothing to do with the point that was addressed. And I sincerely don't care to curtail my opinions simply because you're tired of people having differing views than you.

[AresKeith]

I'm pretty sure everyone in Haven dies if you don't choose to side with the cultists... 

 

And yes the clan attacks  you in DA2 but it's also easily avoidable if you can handle the conversation properly and I'm quite tired of people complaining about it. 

 

Yea, it's easily avoidable but on your first playthrough your like wtf

[LobselVith8]

They killed Wesley before Aveline got her happy ending. Fenris can be given over to Tevinter or killed along with the Templars and Isabela can be handed over to the Arishok. Cammen can die in the forest or the Warden can sleep with Ghenya instead and ruin any chance of a relationship. Isolde can either be killed by a blood magic ritual or she dies giving childbirth in the epilogue slides. Wade and Herren do end up living happily.

 

All relationships suffer in Dragon Age, trying to make it sound like the writers have a personal vendetta against lesbian couples is absurd.

 

Which doesn't change that there are some straight relationships that don't end in tragedy, while every single same sex relationship has (not including the player). I don't see why some here have such a problem with some people having an issue with that.

[EmissaryofLies]

I'm pretty sure everyone in Haven dies if you don't choose to side with the cultists... 

 

And yes the clan attacks  you in DA2 but it's also easily avoidable if you can handle the conversation properly and I'm quite tired of people complaining about it. 

 

Not true. If you do not send Genitivi to Denerim, there are survivors if you elected not to kill them all. 

 

I disagree. The dialogue options are not clear and their immediate hostile response is unexpected. 

[Xilizhra]

You mean, except for when you burn everyone in Amaranthine alive? Or when you massacre every living person in Haven? 

 

Edit: In fact, Haven really counts, since you're also eradicating their culture. 

Haven consists solely of unprovoked attack by every combatant in the town. Also, you don't massacre every living person; you can come back later to see a bunch of angry civilians around the graveyard who berate you, but don't attack you.

 

Amaranthine is hackneyed but doesn't involve destroying a whole society.

 

 

They killed Wesley before Aveline got her happy ending. Fenris can be given over to Tevinter or killed along with the Templars and Isabela can be handed over to the Arishok. Cammen can die in the forest or the Warden can sleep with Ghenya instead and ruin any chance of a relationship. Isolde can either be killed by a blood magic ritual or she dies giving childbirth in the epilogue slides. Wade and Herren do end up living happily.

 

All relationships suffer in Dragon Age, trying to make it sound like the writers have a personal vendetta against lesbian couples is absurd.

As I mentioned, they can all be fine. The fact is that no lesbian relationship can be.

[AresKeith]

Which doesn't change that there are some straight relationships that don't end in tragedy, while every single same sex relationship has (not including the player). I don't see why some here have such a problem with some people having an issue with that.

 

Wade and Herren says Hi

[efd731]

The point is, you're complaining about the possibility* of slaughtering both clans. Which is childish. You're extremely pro-elf, so of course it bothers you, but the point is that not everyone does kill them. Because they're not forced to kill them. It's like annulling the circle or any other mass death scenario.

[FireAndBlood]

Which doesn't change that there are some straight relationships that don't end in tragedy, while every single same sex relationship has (not including the player). I don't see why some here have such a problem with some people having an issue with that.

Wade and Herren ended in tragedy now?

 

Also can someone give me an example of a lesbian relationship other than Celene and Briala, I can't seem to recall any.

[EmissaryofLies]

@Xil

I recall you made a thread way back about this very topic, in regards to the double standard of relationships in Dragon Age. 

A moderator/developer noticed the trend as well.

[LobselVith8]

Wade and Herren ended in tragedy now?

 

Also can someone give me an example of a lesbian relationship other than Celene and Briala, I can't seem to recall any.

 

Leliana and Branka say hi.

[Lenimph]

No one is under any obligation to pick up the book, so I don't see the issue with Xil's choice. Not wanting to read a storyline where the same sex couple implodes (in a franchise where that consistently happens) is as valid as any other reason why someone might chose not to purchase the book.

 

Except this is one of the most healthy same-sex relationships portrayed in the series, regardless if the book ended on an unhappy note of their relationship. Patrick Weekes, as given by his wonderful dedication to LGBTQ fans in the first pages of the book,  put much heart and effort in the portrayal of Celene and Briala's relationship. Ultimately the two woman... or rather Briala, decided her personal goals where more important then their relationship. That's life, and that's mostly what this book was about. And regardless whether Briala "betrayed" Celene (or vice versa because it's complicated) clearly the two women will always love eachother regardless of whether the book ends with them together at the current moment and I think it's of poor judgement to suggest that Weekes set out to continue the stereotype of Lesbian relationships ending in tragedy. 

 

Besides Briala could have easily killed Celene, and I think she would have if she did not still love her. But Xil didn't read  the book so what do they know about the relationship anyway. 

[Xilizhra]

Wade and Herren says Hi

If you'll notice, I brought them up and was referring to lesbian relationships alone.

 

 

The point is, you're complaining about the possibility* of slaughtering both clans. Which is childish. You're extremely pro-elf, so of course it bothers you, but the point is that not everyone does kill them. Because they're not forced to kill them. It's like annulling the circle or any other mass death scenario.

Some earlier posts have clarification on this.

 

 

Wade and Herren ended in tragedy now?

 

Also can someone give me an example of a lesbian relationship other than Celene and Briala, I can't seem to recall any.

Leliana/Marjolaine, Branka/Hespith.

 

 

I recall you made a thread way back about this very topic, in regards to the double standard of relationships in Dragon Age. 

Yes, I did.

[AresKeith]

If you'll notice, I brought them up and was referring to lesbian relationships alone.

 

 

Yes you did, but Lob didn't

[LobselVith8]

The point is, you're complaining about the possibility* of slaughtering both clans. Which is childish. You're extremely pro-elf, so of course it bothers you, but the point is that not everyone does kill them. Because they're not forced to kill them. It's like annulling the circle or any other mass death scenario.

 

I'm not the only one who has addressed this, so you might want to amend your retort to address that's it's an issue for some people who don't share your particular views on the matter.

[efd731]

^^^not much clarification, and not very well reasoned clarification. I am asking you to expand on that.

[Hellion Rex]

Leliana and Branka say hi.

Branka I agree is a completely true example. But were Marjolaine and Leliana really in a "relationship?"

[stuffystuffs]

Jokingly, I was wondering the other day if there would be any clans left for my future Dalish Inquisitor to originate from...cuz clans seem to get wiped out often.

 

Sadly, the Dalish elf Inquisitor's clan will probably all perish at the start of DA:I.

[Xilizhra]

Except this is one of the most healthy same-sex relationships portrayed in the series, regardless if the book ended on an unhappy note of their relationship. Patrick Weekes, as given by his wonderful dedication to LGBTQ fans in the first pages of the book,  put much heart and effort in the portrayal of Celene and Briala's relationship. Ultimately the two woman... or rather Briala, decided her personal goals where more important then their relationship. That's life, and that's mostly what this book was about. And regardless whether Briala "betrayed" Celene  clearly the two women will always love eachother regardless of whether the book ends with them together at the current moment and I think it's of poor judgement to suggest that Weekes set out continue the stereotype of Lesbian relationships ending in tragedy. 

 

Besides Briala could have easily killed Celene, and I think she would have if she did not still love her.

Yes, such a very nice ****** dedication when I specifically brought this issue up years ago in the hope of possibly alerting people to problems with this scenario. If he's well-intentioned on this score, perhaps we'll see this problem resolved in DAI. But counting on that would be foolish, and I consider it warranted to bring up this problem now immediately after the problematic piece of media has been released.

 

 

Branka I agree is a completely true example. But were Marjolaine and Leliana really in a "relationship?"

Yes.