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[LobselVith8]

Except this is one of the most healthy same-sex relationships portrayed in the series, regardless if the book ended on an unhappy note of their relationship. Patrick Weekes, as given by his wonderful dedication to LGBTQ fans in the first pages of the book,  put much heart and effort in the portrayal of Celene and Briala's relationship. Ultimately the two woman... or rather Briala, decided her personal goals where more important then their relationship. That's life, and that's mostly what this book was about. And regardless whether Briala "betrayed" Celene  clearly the two women will always love eachother regardless of whether the book ends with them together at the current moment and I think it's of poor judgement to suggest that Weekes set out continue the stereotype of Lesbian relationships ending in tragedy. 

 

Besides Briala could have easily killed Celene, and I think she would have if she did not still love her. But Xil didn't read  the book so what do they know about the relationship anyway. 

 

You're certainly welcome to have that opinion on the matter, but I don't see why everyone needs to share it. It's more than a little absurd that some people are taking such a strong issue about how certain people feel regarding the portrayal of same sex relationships for women in this franchise.

[AresKeith]

Branka I agree is a completely true example. But were Marjolaine and Leliana really in a "relationship?"

 

I don't think they were, that seems more like Marjolaine using Leliana while Leliana was oblivious 

[Herr Uhl]

Re: Killing things I think Qunari have gotten the shortest end of the stick. I think Sten and Maaras are the only two Qunari that you cannot kill in the game.

[Xilizhra]

Re: Killing things I think Qunari have gotten the shortest end of the stick. I think Sten and Maaras are the only two Qunari that you cannot kill in the game.

Tallis as well as the sword collector.

[FireAndBlood]

Leliana and Branka say hi.

Marjolaine and Leliana never had a relationship, Leliana may have had feelings for her but Marjolaine only used her as a tool. Branka probably never loved Hespith just like she never loved Oghren.

[Herr Uhl]

Tallis as well as the sword collector.

Tallis is an elf. I don't recall the sword collector, but I rushed act 3.

[Xilizhra]

Marjolaine and Leliana never had a relationship, Leliana may have had feelings for her but Marjolaine only used her as a tool. Branka probably never loved Hespith just like she never loved Oghren.

Thank you for driving my point home further, as it then means that two prior relationships were wholly false, if you happen to be right.

 

 

Tallis is an elf. I don't recall the sword collector, but I rushed act 3.

Keep in mind that we've literally never seen a qunari civilian.

[AresKeith]

Tallis as well as the sword collector.

 

I'd argue we should've had the option

[Lenimph]

I don't think they were, that seems more like Marjolaine using Leliana while Leliana was oblivious 

Leliana was clearly oblivious. Any feeling Marjolaine had for Leliana where very week and fleeting, as proven by Marjolaine's actions.  She clearly saw Leliana as a disposable toy. Let us not forget that she also convinced the now Divine that she was also in love with her too and Leliana didn't know about that at all. 

[Herr Uhl]

Keep in mind that we've literally never seen a qunari civilian.

 

Armaas was a civilian.

[LobselVith8]

^^^not much clarification, and not very well reasoned clarification. I am asking you to expand on that.

 

You're welcome to read the previous pages to peruse the posts where people have addressed their issues with the portrayals, since you're basically asking me to give you a synopsis on what's been said within the past few hours, when it would be easier to simply read those respective pages. I also find it ridiculous that you're singling me out when I've been agreeing with other people on the matter.

[FireAndBlood]

Thank you for driving my point home further, as it then means that two prior relationships were wholly false, if you happen to be right.

 

 

 

If they were false relationships wouldn't your point about all lesbian relationships ending in tragedy be completely wrong?

[Senya]

As a struggling writer myself, I can't blame the writer for how the story goes. When one writes, much of the plot is written by the characters themselves. That's what makes a story good. 

[Xilizhra]

If they were false relationships wouldn't your point about all lesbian relationships ending in tragedy be completely wrong?

No, and I would only need to change a single word to incorporate any instances of blatant nitpicking: all examples of lesbian love end in tragedy.

 

 

As a struggling writer myself, I can't blame the writer for how the story goes. When one writes, much of the plot is written by the characters themselves. That's what makes a story good. 

In this scenario, one could make different characters.

[EmissaryofLies]

Yeah, this is gonna get locked. 

[LobselVith8]

If they were false relationships wouldn't your point about all lesbian relationships ending in tragedy be completely wrong?

 

It's an example of two women who were in a romantic relationship, so I don't see why it should be discarded. The portrayal of same sex relationships for women is an issue for some people, and the entire point that's been addressed over the past few pages.

[stuffystuffs]

Marjolaine and Leliana never had a relationship, Leliana may have had feelings for her but Marjolaine only used her as a tool. Branka probably never loved Hespith just like she never loved Oghren.

I would say they had a relationship...those things don't require the two parties to genuinely be in love with each other.

[Xilizhra]

Yeah, this is gonna get locked. 

Be that as it may, criticizing implications and patterns within Bioware's works is not against the rules to my knowledge, and I will continue to do so where it remains topical to the given thread.

[EmissaryofLies]

I was more referring to the cantankerous nature most of these discussions usually take when we all come together, in unity. 

[Senya]

No, and I would only need to change a single word to incorporate any instances of blatant nitpicking: all examples of lesbian love end in tragedy.

 

 

In this scenario, one could make different characters.

Easier said than done. 

[Herr Uhl]

If they were false relationships wouldn't your point about all lesbian relationships ending in tragedy be completely wrong?

If you don't count it as a relationship, that doesn't mean that it is a happy one either. It does not disprove the point.

 

I would consider them to be the worst of the lot though.

[AresKeith]

In this scenario, one could make different characters.

 

Why? Because you don't agree with it?

[FireAndBlood]

No, and I would only need to change a single word to incorporate any instances of blatant nitpicking: all examples of lesbian love end in tragedy.

 

 

The only example of a lesbian relationship is Celene/Briala, that relationship ended pretty well considering both are alive.

[EmissaryofLies]

Why? Because you don't agree with it?

 

*facepalm*

[Xilizhra]

Easier said than done. 

Undoubtedly, but that hardly means it's above criticism.

 

 

Why? Because you don't agree with it?

Given that any disagreeable position that any human takes on anything can be summed up as "because I don't agree with it," I fail to see your point.