And those other relationships, fundamentally, play by different rules.
Doesn't matter, those relationships regardless of orientation ended badly
Celene and Briala's actually ended better than those with the possibility of getting back together
Anyway I'm done with the arguemnt
Doesn't matter, those relationships regardless of orientation ended badly
They did not, and I have no idea where you're getting it.
Shall we return to a better topic, lest I burn this thread to the ground?
I peeped this thread for 3 minutes and got a migraine, hell to the no bye guys
Come now, stay. I'll buy you some ice cream. 
Shall we return to a better topic, lest I burn this thread to the ground?
It is on topic. There is no need.
Anyway there's something in the fade looking for the Eluvians , it could be Fen Harel avatar ...
Could you elaborate on this please?
It is on topic. There is no need.
I said "better topic", cause clearly this one is a minefield.
It is on topic. There is no need.
Indeed. I don't believe this is something that should be ignored or passed over.
I said "better topic", cause clearly this one is a minefield.
Thought you were gonna try to narc on this thread.
Anyhow, most of the good topics are indeed minefields. I need only point towards mage and templar threads on this very forum.
I'm singling you out because you're more articulate than Xil, not to antagonize you. And I have read all the way back, I just don't get how the option to kill the two dalish clans is such a big deal considering all the other mass death scenarios the warden can create/partake in/ignore.
Honestly, I think you give Xil far too little credit. And I simply agreed about the difference in the complete destruction of two Dalish clans in contrast to the options we are provided when dealing with human societies. Exile mentioned Haven and Amaranthine in disagreement, but there are survivors in Haven who mourn the members who perished, and while the City of Amaranthine is burned down, it will be rebuilt in time, so there's no permanency to the demise like there is with the destruction of the clans.
Frankly, it's easy to be reminded about this because there are a plethora of people who continually express in the elven threads their desire to kill another Dalish clan in Inquisition. I also found Clan Virnehn (in TME) to be caricatures, lacking any real depth or nuance to their characterizations, which is disappointing because the human characters were written as three-dimensional characters, with their own strengths and weaknesses.
Could you elaborate on this please?
A mysterious figure approaches Felassan at the end of the novel expecting him to reveal Briala's password for the eluvians. We don't know who this figure was, but its a good guess that its Fen' Harel judging by some of the hints dropped in the rest of the book.
Honestly, I think you give Xil far too little credit. And I simply agreed about the difference in the complete destruction of two Dalish clans in contrast to the options we are provided when dealing with human societies. Exile mentioned Haven and Amaranthine, but there are survivors in Haven who mourn the members who perished, and while the City of Amaranthine is burned down, it will be rebuilt in time, so there's no permanency to the demise like there is with the clans.
Frankly, it's easy to be reminded about this because there are a plethora of people who continually express in the elven threads their desire to kill another Dalish clan in Inquisition. I also found Clan Virnehn (in TME) to be caricatures, lacking any real depth or nuance to their characterizations, which is disappointing because the human characters were written as three-dimensional characters, with their own strengths and weaknesses.
I will admit that I can be extremely terse in a lot of my posts, because I tend to multitask and I don't quite have the patience to write dissertations on Internet arguments when the odds of anyone being genuinely swayed by lots of logic if it doesn't match their initial opinion are extremely low. So that may be where his saying I wasn't articulate enough came from.
Could you elaborate on this please?
From the books?
Nothing in the book say it's Fen Harel , there's just hints here and there , it's possible.
Felassan likes to tell tales about the Dread Wolf , his name means "Slow arrow " something Fen Harel used in a tale , etc...
Because they were main characters(including briala and Michel) and because the novel needed a group who would be willing to summon a very powerful demon. And while they may have been extremely one-sided...the dalish clans are rather diverse are they not? If there's a semi-permanent tribal settlement of peaceful dalish dwelling in rivain why can't there be a hate-fueled xenophobic and rash group too? (Who would you have preferred to see release imshael?)Honestly, I think you give Xil far too little credit. And I simply agreed about the difference in the complete destruction of two Dalish clans in contrast to the options we are provided when dealing with human societies. Exile mentioned Haven and Amaranthine in disagreement, but there are survivors in Haven who mourn the members who perished, and while the City of Amaranthine is burned down, it will be rebuilt in time, so there's no permanency to the demise like there is with the destruction of the clans.
Frankly, it's easy to be reminded about this because there are a plethora of people who continually express in the elven threads their desire to kill another Dalish clan in Inquisition. I also found Clan Virnehn (in TME) to be caricatures, lacking any real depth or nuance to their characterizations, which is disappointing because the human characters were written as three-dimensional characters, with their own strengths and weaknesses.
I will admit that I can be extremely terse in a lot of my posts, because I tend to multitask and I don't quite have the patience to write dissertations on Internet arguments when the odds of anyone being genuinely swayed by lots of logic if it doesn't match their initial opinion are extremely low. So that may be where his saying I wasn't articulate enough came from.
I find that to be true with most arguments (where no one changes their perspective on the debated issue), but you certainly get your point across. I also found your posts more substantial than the condescending retorts against you that opposed your view of the handling of same sex couples for women simply because it differed from their own.
Because they were main characters(including briala and Michel) and because the novel needed a group who would be willing to summon a very powerful demon. And while they may have been extremely one-sided...the dalish clans are rather diverse are they not? If there's a semi-permanent tribal settlement of peaceful dalish dwelling in rivain why can't there be a hate-fueled xenophobic and rash group too? (Who would you have preferred to see release imshael?)
So the Dalish clan in TME were used as cardboard cutout villains because of the demands of the Plot, despite the fact that WoT addresses that the Dalish avoid magic that involves spirits. And it lead to multiple posts where people used the example of Clan Virnehn to vilify the entirety of the Dalish. It annoyed me because it could have been handled differently, and we already had the Sabrae Clan suffer from Plot induced stupidity in Act III after Marethari perishes.
Could you elaborate on this please?
Its the spirit of Chris Hansen scouring the fade in search of eevul demons that seduce children who are playing with eluvians.
Well I've read the book , and I didn't think the Dalish looked that stupid or bad.
I mean they trapped the demons , it's Michel , Celene and co who decided to release the demon for the Lolz and profit.
They didn't even release the demon on purpose. Ser Michel thought he was banishing or destroying it
And not sure what to think of Felassan , he was supposed to be Dalish...but he try to avoid talking about his clan , he knows a lot about Arlathan , he'd rather let a creepy demon run free than save a Dalish clan.
I wonder if he's a very old elf who survived somehow.
He also reacted very oddly when Briala asked if he really was Dalish
Anyway there's something in the fade looking for the Eluvians , it could be Fen Harel avatar ...
If it's him , possible he's been manipulating elves , the same way Flemeth has been manipulating Humans for centuries ( giving dragon blood to Calenhad etc to awake dragons later...)
This entity seems stuck in the fade ...I guess we'll found out about it later , but I think the Eluvians will turn out to be a cursed gift.
I think whoever it is is going to be the antagonist for DAI. The one ripping holes in the Fade.
So the Dalish clan in TME were used as cardboard cutout villains because of the demands of the Plot, despite the fact that WoT addresses that the Dalish avoid magic that involves spirits. And it lead to multiple posts where people used the example of Clan Virnehn to vilify the entirety of the Dalish. It annoyed me because it could have been handled differently, and we already had the Sabrae Clan suffer from Plot induced stupidity in Act III after Marethari perishes.
And every single lesbian one does as well, whereas not all straight or male homosexual ones do. The fact that one party may have entered it with bad intentions does not change the fact that it existed. And if that doesn't satisfy you, refer to my revision of "lesbian love."
Then yes, I dislike it because it continues a damaging and meaningless pattern when orientations of other relationships aren't held up to the same standards. Also, keep in mind Rhys/Evangeline.
Xilizhra,
Could this be because the relationship started with bad intentions? Real loving relationships are not about using their mate. Rhys/Evangeline did not intend to use each other. They were honest and no hidden agenda.
Is the message relationships can't last with deception? Look at Marc and Katreil for example. he put a sword through her. I think we can agree that did not end well.
no one asked for your input
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