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I'm still processing over what I read and the only thing that is popping in my mind is, "Well....****."

 

Honestly, I think that Briala will truly decide the fate of the Empire but if she is being compared to Fen-Harel then I have a feeling she will be somewhat antagonistic. It also seems to imply that Briala will let the two opposing forces tire each out before striking. I was shocked when it was revealed that Celene had Briala's parents killed to gain the throne. In truth, I don't blame her actions but I have a feeling those mirrors will cause more problems than good. By the end of the book, I don't know if Celene even genuinely loves Briala. At least Gaspard was honest (somewhat). Celene is....complex. 

 

Gah....still processing....



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I'm just. Gah. I loved the whole thing. I just can't wait to see Celene. She was fantastically portrayed. And Briala. So smart and clever and deadly. And Gaspard, not just some two-dimensional villain, but a man with honour and goals and reasons that were understandable, even if you didn't agree.

 

I found all the details about Orlais fascinating yet exhausting. To live with having to play the Game. I'd died, surely, if it weren't me.

 

I love that Celene and Briala's relationship was so well portrayed. Weekes did not go the easy way out and brilliantly showed all the ways it was unbalanced and difficult. The angst was so so so delicious from start to finish. Everyone all complex and with their own motivations.

 

I kind of just want to read it all over again right now.

 

It also is making my desire for the next game more unbearable than before.


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If the Eluvians function similar to the Eldar Webway in Warhammer 40k perhaps reactivating the system is what causes the Veil tear?

If the dimension the network operates within sits between our world and the Fade, turning back on with all the weak spots in the Veil from the Magister's Golden City expedition, or what happened in Kirkwall could render certain routes unstable.

Also, what the heck would have happened if Merrill got her mirror to work?

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I was surprised and actually pretty impressed that, by the end of the book, Mr. Weekes had me seeing Gaspard as the more sympathetic figure between Celene and him.  Not necessarily better mind you, but at least more sympathetic.

 

Really enjoyed learning about Orlais and I am really looking forward to finally seeing it.  That said, my God, the nobles are insufferable, every one of them.  If for some reason we have to choose a nation to save in DAI, I'll take the down to earth dog lords without hesitation.

 

Are we also to assume that Masked Empire takes place before Asunder?  I figured it would be after being released later but it doesn't seem like things have really gone bad quite yet in this one.


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Also, what the heck would have happened if Merrill got her mirror to work?

 

A giant mess that can destroy the city



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Are we also to assume that Masked Empire takes place before Asunder?  I figured it would be after being released later but it doesn't seem like things have really gone bad quite yet in this one.

 

Given the events mentioned in the two books, they overlap each other a bit.  Though I think overall this book starts chronologically  a few weeks sooner.



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Is it just me or does "gets captured, but escapes" happen a lot.

I mean REALLY a lot?



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Up untill he was killed, I was begining to think Felasan was Fen'Harel. When Briala tried to give him the password he put his finger on her lips. He did not want it.
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Up untill he was killed, I was begining to think Felasan was Fen'Harel. When Briala tried to give him the password he put his finger on her lips. He did not want it.

 

His attitude was also very non dalish. Still wonder who his boss is however.



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In support of Dean the Young's idea as the Eluvian as a similar mode of transportation as Webway gates for the Eldar in  Warhammer 40K, I believe that Felassan's master is not Fen'Harel, but rather an ancient elf living in the Black City. Consider 1) The Black City is visible in the Fade, but no one has ever reached it, bcause the only way to do so is via Eluvian. 2) The primary reason for the Elven defeat in the war against the Imperium was that the elves fled, but where to? If they fled to the 'Black City' and then sealed the Eluvians behind them they would retain their immortality and continue to live as the ancient elves of Arlathan did, in their own personal plane of reality. 3) Did Morrigan not say that the Eluvian is a portal to a place 'beyond this world and beyond the Fade'? She learned how to activate and seal one after 'borrowing' a Dalish tome describing Eluvians, after all. 4)I am not opposed to the idea of the Dread Wolf being the master of Felassan, but consider, where did he acquire so much information about the ancient elves? From the elves themselves. Again this is only a theory and I apologise if I plagiarised anyone else's ideas or theories. 



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Or we could just get Morrigan to do it for us, and then Briala becomes might irrelevant.

 

Possible reason for why Morrigan seems to have risen to a position of court mage?



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I thought Morrigan was only called "court mage" in that leaked scenario about red templars breaking into the Black City? Is she attributed with that position anywhere else?



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I thought Morrigan was only called "court mage" in that leaked scenario about red templars breaking into the Black City? Is she attributed with that position anywhere else?

 

The design documents for her new dress definitely establish her as rubbing elbows with Orlesian aristocrats and such at a ball.

 

Maybe not necessarily 'the court mage', but she's playing for influence, as a mage, in Orlesian politics.



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So will this tie-in with DA:I somehow, or is it too early to tell?



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The design documents for her new dress definitely establish her as rubbing elbows with Orlesian aristocrats and such at a ball.

 

Maybe not necessarily 'the court mage', but she's playing for influence, as a mage, in Orlesian politics.

Yeah, I agree she's ingrained herself in the Orlesian upper class somehow, I just wondered if that specifically was her official title now.

 

It does seem likely it's about the Eluvians, though. Although, I wonder how much time she was spending in them if they're damaging to humans. I also wonder if it would affect her (possible) child at all, being what he is. 



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Yeah, I agree she's ingrained herself in the Orlesian upper class somehow, I just wondered if that specifically was her official title now.

 

It does seem likely it's about the Eluvians, though. Although, I wonder how much time she was spending in them if they're damaging to humans. I also wonder if it would affect her (possible) child at all, being what he is. 

That's a very good point about Morrigan and the child's safety within the world of the eluvians.  I had been wondering about that as well...  Incidentally, I also wonder if the Warden--should Morrigan have discovered a passphrase for the mirrors as well, in some fashion--would know how to activate them too, either by traveling with her or by reading the tomes she left?  My Warden would certainly have read them :)



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I think a lot of the back ground will fit into DA:I. Depends on when the game starts as to how much. Very interesting times.


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How did Mercendele Died? Please describe with details. I get it.



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Please give the most memorable quotes.



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So this city similar to Val Roueax after the battle. Gaspard take it in the end of the book. I wonder- man in the center is Gaspard?

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I am heavily considering buying this book off Amazon as well as Asunder.



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YAlthough, I wonder how much time she was spending in them if they're damaging to humans.  

 

Those of you who've read the book -- and at this point I'm really considering getting it, but since you've read it first -- I'll ask again, because I'm really curious.

 

What is it about the "place Beyond" the Eluvians go, that is somehow inhospitable to humans, but more hospitable to elves? Different atmosphere?

 

We know humans can spend some time there, because presumably (in Witch Hunt) Morrigan has (or could have). Let alone the child - but that may be a different situation - or perhaps even a human Warden. 



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Those of you who've read the book -- and at this point I'm really considering getting it, but since you've read it first -- I'll ask again, because I'm really curious.

 

What is it about the "place Beyond" the Eluvians go, that is somehow inhospitable to humans, but more hospitable to elves? Different atmosphere?

 

We know humans can spend some time there, because presumably (in Witch Hunt) Morrigan has (or could have). Let alone the child - but that may be a different situation - or perhaps even a human Warden. 

Felassan theorizes that the in between world was actually created by the Arlathan elves to facilitate transport between mirrors. So in that regard, it's possible that the old elves just attuned it to their own physical state of being, hence why it feels weird for non elves.


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How did Mercendele Died? Please describe with details. I get it.

The details don't matter.  If you want them, read the book.  Patrick Weekes put a lot of effort into writing it in a particular way to achieve a specific effect.  Just rattling off the details completely ruins the point.

This is basically like asking someone to describe the special effects in a movie to you.  "Ooh, there were explosions?!  What color were they?!" it doesn't matter.  If you want to know, see the movie.
 

Everything impactful that happens, story-wise, was synopsized in Asunder--apart from the bit about the Eluvians.  Celene and Gaspard are fighting for the Orlesian Throne.  Celene requests Justinia to make some sort of move to stabilize the mage/templar situation (Asunder details how that works out).  There is an elven rebellion in Halamshiral that Celene puts down.  The Masked Empire is not a new step in the story, it's a character study of Celene, Gaspard, and some of the important people who surround them that establishes the nature of their personalities and relationship a little better.

 

If you want some character details, here they are:

 

Celene cares about the arts and sciences.  She prefers to reign over Orlais by subtlety and misdirection, and is trained as a bard.  She's in love (and lovers) with Briala, her elven handmaiden, but Celene is also ruthless enough to have Briala's parents killed and to viciously put down an elven rebellion to maintain her authority.  When Briala finds out about this, it doesn't go over very well.  At the end of the book Briala abandons Celene to forward the elven cause by herself.

 

Briala is a more passive character--she tries to get Celene to help the elves.  She's trained as a bard as well and acts as an assassin and spy at times to assist Celene.  After her parents died she fled to the Dalish and met with Felassan (an elven mage who seems Dalish but there's some kind of mystery about him).  He taught her and sent her back to Celene.  Briala turns on Celene (kind of) at the end and acquires the pass phrase for the Eluvians, which she plans on using to help liberate the elves.

 

Gaspard is a chevalier.  He sees everything through the lens of the military and isn't terribly subtle.  He's strictly honorable but, as he says repeatedly throughout the book, honor doesn't preclude tactics.  He's not above stabbing people in the back and taking advantage of their weakness, but he won't torture and he keeps his given word.

 

Michel is another chevalier and Celene's champion.  He's even more honorable than Gaspard.  However, he's also a half-elven commoner, a fact that was concealed.  Gaspard hired a bard to dig into Michel's past as part of a strategem and Celene sends Briala to rescue him, so Briala finds out about Michel's concealed past and uses it somewhat later to get quits from both Gaspard and Celene.

 

Felassan is a Dalish elf mage (maybe).  He's bitter and world-weary and there are some hints that he's been around for a long time, knows far more than he says, and possibly worships Fen'harel as his patron.  He assists Briala but the reasons are never clear.  He also seems to know something about the demon Imshael and what that demon is after.  Felassan is also a somniari.  Here's a lore tidbit: according to Felassan the ancient elves who entered uthenara had some kind of power over the realm of dreams, but what is not specified.  It's possible that, as a somniari, though, Felassan still has some contact with any of them that remain "alive".  Apparently once the sleepers reach "perfection" they can draw sustenance from the Fade and stay "alive" basically forever.  So it's nominally possible there are some still-living elven dreamers in some long-forgotten tomb somewhere, although it appears that when the Eluvians were shut down and the elven empire fell the servant class killed the sleepers they could reach, so maybe not. There's a small indication that Felassan has some advanced warning of the whole Veil situation coming, but zero details.  A mysterious shadowy figure kills Felassan on the last page.

 

Imshael is a demon (although he refers to himself as a "choice spirit") that was summoned by the Keeper of a Dalish clan to awaken the Eluvians, but Imshael found the Dalish too tepid and uninteresting, so he finagles Michel into freeing him in exchange for opening the Eluvians.  Imshael also murders the Dalish clan that summoned him, all except for the Keeper's First, who he possesses.  If Imshael's word is worth anything he feeds off, basically, drama and conflict, so he wants as much drama and conflict around him as possible.

Those are the major players.  Everyone else is a bit part at best.  Mishra, the First of the Dalish clan, is the only other person who survives, but there's no indication that she has an important role going forward.  She may show up, who knows.


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That's a very good point about Morrigan and the child's safety within the world of the eluvians.  I had been wondering about that as well...  Incidentally, I also wonder if the Warden--should Morrigan have discovered a passphrase for the mirrors as well, in some fashion--would know how to activate them too, either by traveling with her or by reading the tomes she left?  My Warden would certainly have read them :)

The Eluvian world isn't *damaging* to humans, just *unpleasant*.  And who ever said Morrigan was human, exactly?