Given the events mentioned in the two books, they overlap each other a bit. Though I think overall this book starts chronologically a few weeks sooner.
Almost exactly three weeks. Asunder begins with the ball that Celene throws for Justinia, "in three weeks".
The details don't matter. If you want them, read the book. Patrick Weekes put a lot of effort into writing it in a particular way to achieve a specific effect. Just rattling off the details completely ruins the point.
Ummm, yeah, details kinda do matter. And not everyone has access to a book either, so it couldn't hurt to take 2 seconds to tell someone.
How did Mercendele Died? Please describe with details. I get it.
Melcendre died at Michel's hands after she threatened to reveal his elven blood as blackmail against him.
So this city similar to Val Roueax after the battle. Gaspard take it in the end of the book. I wonder- man in the center is Gaspard?
Isn't that the place where Templars go to retire?
The Eluvian world isn't *damaging* to humans, just *unpleasant*. And who ever said Morrigan was human, exactly?
It gives them the equivalent of a migraine while in it, plus they move with great fatigue. It is more then unpleasant.
That's a very good point about Morrigan and the child's safety within the world of the eluvians. I had been wondering about that as well... Incidentally, I also wonder if the Warden--should Morrigan have discovered a passphrase for the mirrors as well, in some fashion--would know how to activate them too, either by traveling with her or by reading the tomes she left? My Warden would certainly have read them
The Eluvian world isn't *damaging* to humans, just *unpleasant*. And who ever said Morrigan was human, exactly?
Thanks! I'm waiting on my copy of TME to arrive and this is very interesting 
Regarding Morrigan, as you mention it I believe she says during the conversation on shapeshifting that studying and taking other human forms like her own has no value for her. She may indeed not be human--she's certainly extraordinary--but as she appears to be in a human form at this time it would be interesting to know whether the eluvians would have affected her as such (and potentially the OGB)?
It gives them the equivalent of a migraine while in it, plus they move with great fatigue. It is more then unpleasant.
Thanks as well! That is interesting indeed...I wonder if we'll learn more about this in Inquisition?
You think it was really Flemeth? Grrrrr, all this speculation is getting to me lol
Technically he never gets to finish his sentence. He said "She reminds me of ...." then he is killed. Wether his last word would've been "Fen'harel" or "you" is speculation.
Personally I think it was Flemeth, since she is strangely absent from the story otherwise. That of course opens up the discussion wether or not Fen'Harel is Flemeth.
I don't think it is Flemeth. Its not her style. She would have manipulated events directly not through some middle man. Plus, the way Felassan met with the being at the end of the book, doesn't truly fit with Flemeth to me. BTW, I am certain he knew he was a dead man when he went to meat his "master".
Flemeth has only been in one of the 4 books so far. Stolen throne. She wasn't in The calling, Asunder, or ME, so her being absent doesn't really mean a lot.
Part of me is beginning to suspect that Flemeth isn't worried or concerned with Thedas at large, just her little corner of it.
Ummm, yeah, details kinda do matter. And not everyone has access to a book either, so it couldn't hurt to take 2 seconds to tell someone.
Enlighten me on how it "matters" whether someone was killed with a dagger, a broadsword, a mace, or a critical backstab with a ballista? It doesn't. Result is the same. There's almost nothing in the book that would distinctly impact anything that comes after.
There's an ebook edition. If they can access an online forum, they have internet access and can get access to the book by downloading the kindle eReader app and buying it off Amazon. Whether they have the time or inclination to get it and read it right now, who knows, but they're reading this forum SOMEHOW. If they're unable or not inclined to PAY for Mr. Weekes' hard work I'm certainly not inclined to pass it along to them free of charge. If he wants to give it away that's his decision, not mine.
Flemeth has only been in one of the 4 books so far. Stolen throne. She wasn't in The calling, Asunder, or ME, so her being absent doesn't really mean a lot.
To be fair, her involvement in Stolen Throne directly impacts The Calling as she tells Maric that a Blight is coming which is why he goes with the Grey Wardens in the first place, so just because she isn't seen in the book doesn't mean she isn't influencing it.
I don't think it is Flemeth. Its not her style. She would have manipulated events directly not through some middle man. Plus, the way Felassan met with the being at the end of the book, doesn't truly fit with Flemeth to me. BTW, I am certain he knew he was a dead man when he went to meat his "master".
Flemeth has only been in one of the 4 books so far. Stolen throne. She wasn't in The calling, Asunder, or ME, so her being absent doesn't really mean a lot.
Part of me is beginning to suspect that Flemeth isn't worried or concerned with Thedas at large, just her little corner of it.
I don't really think it's Flemeth either. There's little grounds to suspect anyone in particular. It's possible it was Imshael, but while Felassan seemed *familiar* with Imshael they didn't seem to be directly *involved*. It *could* have been an elaborate front, but there really isn't any evidence either way.
I *suspect* that Felassan's "clan" is actually some surviving ancient elven sleepers or similar--magically powerful, old, corrupt, and unpleasant in the extreme. We shall see.
I don't really think it's Flemeth either. There's little grounds to suspect anyone in particular. It's possible it was Imshael, but while Felassan seemed *familiar* with Imshael they didn't seem to be directly *involved*. It *could* have been an elaborate front, but there really isn't any evidence either way.
I *suspect* that Felassan's "clan" is actually some surviving ancient elven sleepers or similar--magically powerful, old, corrupt, and unpleasant in the extreme. We shall see.
Its not Imshael. He made the ruby, if he wanted the Eluvians, he could have done it himself.
That's interesting. I wonder if it will make any difference in the plot if you encouraged Merrill to keep her Eluvian. I wonder if it will come up again, if they're a major plot element.
I've wondered the same. It seems that not everyone shared Marethari's apprehension about utilizing the Eluvian. If the one she constructed was still intact, I wonder if one of the clans might procure it after the Right of Annulment in Kirkwall, assuming she left the city-state with the Champion to avoid the templars.
I loved the book. It was very captivating through and through.
I had totally forgotten about Michel's promise to Briala so when she demanded he fulfill it in a re-enactment of Fen'Harel's tree I was dumbfounded.
It gripped me from start to finish, every character having their own appeal and development.
I have come to respect Gaspard's character, so I am now looking forward to meeting everyone in DA:I, especially Celene.
Just finished chapter 5, and so far, it seems like Gaspard is waaay better at The Game than Celene. Wasn't expecting that. That theater scene was just brutal. Still pulling for Celene as Empress, though. 
Just finished chapter 5, and so far, it seems like Gaspard is waaay better at The Game than Celene. Wasn't expecting that. That theater scene was just brutal. Still pulling for Celene as Empress though.
Nah, Gaspard himself admits later that in matters of the court and discourse he can never beat Celene at the game.
Nah, Gaspard himself admits later that in matters of the court and discourse he can never beat Celene at the game.
Really? Not seeing it right now tbh. He used the feather duel between Teagan and Michel against her to gain support from important nobles, he helps the city elves knowing he'll look better to them than Celene when she puts down their rebellion, and he's the one that sets her up to march on Halamshiral in the first place with his theater stunt. And the theater trip was soooo publicly embarrassing for Celene, and there's nothing she can do about it, because then she'd look like a total b*tch to the playwrights and cause she's been supporting. And then the thing she learns about the University Professors writing papers about elven students while there, that was a blow. And those bombs were dropped all about the same time. It was pretty masterful IMO. Maybe she steps up her game later, though.
I think he was saying in a battle of words he cannot beat Celene, not that he cannot out maneuver or outsmart her.
Really? Not seeing right now tbh. He used the feather duel between Teagan and Michel against her to gain support from important nobles, he helps the city elves knowing he'll look better to them than Celene when she puts down their rebellion, and he's the one that sets her up to march on Halamshiral in the first place with his theater stunt. And the theater trip was soooo publicly embarrassing for Celene, and there's nothing she can do about it because then she'd look like a total b*tch to the playwrights and cause she's been supporting. And then the thing she learns about the Professors writing papers about elven students while there, that was a blow. And those bombs were dropped all about the same time. It was pretty masterful IMO. Maybe she steps up her game later though.
Gaspard is something of a Magnificent Bastard But what really tipped the scales in his favor was luring Celene out into the open where his superior military prowess could shine. Getting her out of Val Royeux and someplace where armed conflict could commence. That's his area of expertise
Interesting observation after just reading the book. The idea that the Free Marches are more hardline chantry, especially regarding mages, then Orlais I find surprising. It was a comment made in Celene's conversation with Lelianna. Just a throw away line in reference to the events in Kirkwall, but I am finding the throw away lines to be the most revealing in this book so far.
Its not Imshael. He made the ruby, if he wanted the Eluvians, he could have done it himself.
Is there a reason provided for why it did that? Part of the deal/promise made in exchange for its release, or such?
Imshael's presence is important, but I haven't heard anything explained about its motives, if any were given.
Oh, and from an elvish perspective Celene is definitely the one they should back. She may be limited by what she can do, but she at least views the CEs as Orlesian citizens and wants to improve their lives and have them love Orlais. Gaspard sees them as insects.
Is there a reason provided for why it did that? Part of the deal/promise made in exchange for its release, or such?
Imshael's presence is important, but I haven't heard anything explained about its motives, if any were given.
Have you not read it yet Dean?
Well the Dalish had imprisoned Imshael wanting him to unlock the Eluvians for them. Imshael was fine with doing that, but they had to give him something in exchange. They wouldn't make a deal, they basically were waiting him out until he finally got tired of being trapped and they released him when he gave them what they wanted.
He basically gave them the ruby for activating the Eluvian system in exchange for initially being able to possess Ser Michel. Michel thought he outsmarted Imshael but basically was manipulated into what Imshael truly wanted and the demon was freed.
Oh, and from an elvish perspective Celene is definitely the one they should back. She may be limited by what she can do, but she at least views the CEs as Orlesian citizens and wants to improve their lives and have them love Orlais. Gaspard sees them as insects.
From a Fereldan perspective as well, given the confrontation with Teagan and the reason behind it.
From a Fereldan perspective as well, given the confrontation with Tegan and the reason behind it.
Yeah, they truly do present two different view points of rulers. Celene wants to build, educate, and culture her people. Gaspard is an imperialist who seeks to expand and strengthen the glory of Orlais through expansion and conquest.
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