Yeah, they truly do present two different view points of rulers. Celene wants to build, educate, and culture her people. Gaspard is an imperialist who seeks to expand and strengthen the glory of Orlais through expansion and conquest.
Their distinct attempts to gain control of Ferelden do highlight the differences between the Celene and Gaspard. I'm curious how the two may try to gain the favor of the Inquisitor, given what we know from "The Masked Empire".
Oh, and from an elvish perspective Celene is definitely the one they should back. She may be limited by what she can do, but she at least views the CEs as Orlesian citizens and wants to improve their lives and have them love Orlais. Gaspard sees them as insects.
If it came to a choice between the two, definitely.
But I think they see this as a chance to for more. True independance. Celene will only help the elves so much. Even the most open-minded nobles won't stand for making them out to be actual people. And even Celene views her citizens, including elves, to be pawns to be used in the Game. Orlesian politics are absolutely ruthless. Briala had to learn that the hard way.
Someone should let TKS know that Ser Michel, a perfectly normal human warrior, kills two elven warriors, an elven warleader and the First at the same time.
This chevalier is amazing.
Their distinct attempts to gain control of Ferelden do highlight the differences between the Celene and Gaspard. I'm curious how the two may try to gain the favor of the Inquisitor, given what we know from "The Masked Empire".
I doubt they'll need to gain your favour, you'll probably have to gain theirs.
I'm going to assume that it'll play out like a much bigger version of Bhelen/Harrowmont in the game. Maybe Briala will be a third option.
I love how Celene reachs a village that was massacred by her own men because, previously, Gaspard's men had come along and stolen everything they could carry and the villagers didn't stop them.. It really shows the greyness and brutality of the conflict.
I hope there will, at least, be an instance in DAI where our own soldiers are accused of taking liberties with the peasants.
Not right away and at the end it strongly implied that Gaspard took the city, Asunder takes place after the masked empire he is telling everyone she's dead, and issued the Sun Gates to be shut in Asunder during the Wynne and the other's quest since when they returned the gates were shut, WOT also puts the ambush of Celene before the Sun Gates being shut. He has the nobles, he has the rulers of many of the cities, he has the soldiers, and has been basically telling everyone Celene is deadI am not sure I understand where people are getting that Gaspard took Val Royeaux. He and Michel came out of the eluvian at Val Chevin and Gaspard walked off. We don't know where he ended up.
I am curious about what Imsheal meant when he said that no matter what happened he had a feeling that Orlais would be exciting for a while. Was he referring to the struggle for power between Celene and Gaspard or was it possibly about the tears? Felassan implied something just before Imsheal left Mihirs' body. And that is when Imsheal said it would be exciting for a little while.
I have a feeling that who or what ever killed Felassan might just be our culprit behind the tears.
While he's very very skilled, he isn't techinally a normal human, he's elf blooded.Someone should let TKS know that Ser Michel, a perfectly normal human warrior, kills two elven warriors, an elven warleader and the First at the same time.
This chevalier is amazing.
It has been stated several times by different characters and even developers that the offspring of an human and an elf is a human, period. There really isn't anything special about them; they are not particularly graceful when compared to other humans or anything like that.
But the point is that Michel didn't have magic-nullifying abilities or enchanted armor. Just normal steel and skill and he won.
Gaspard is something of a Magnificent Bastard But what really tipped the scales in his favor was luring Celene out into the open where his superior military prowess could shine. Getting her out of Val Royeux and someplace where armed conflict could commence. That's his area of expertise
So far, he's been one step ahead of her every time. When she thinks she has him beat, she really doesn't, Gaspard just spins it to his advantage. That was the Teagan situation, and its been the case with the Michel/Melcendre situation. I give Celene props for decently defending herself in the forest, though.
And what is up with the Orlesians and "hunting accidents"? My Inquisitor must take advantage of this aspect of The Game and off a few nobles, obstacles, while on a hunting trip in DAI. Hunting accidents for everyone!
So far, he's been one step ahead of her every time. When she thinks she has him beat, she really doesn't, Gaspard just spins it to his advantage. That was the Teagan situation, and its been the case with the Michel/Melcendre situation. I give Celene props for decently defending herself in the forest, though.
And what is up with the Orlesians and "hunting accidents"? My Inquisitor must take advantage of this aspect of The Game and off a few nobles, obstacles, while on a hunting trip in DAI. Hunting accidents for everyone!
Only a few nobles? 
I don't think it is Flemeth. Its not her style. She would have manipulated events directly not through some middle man. Plus, the way Felassan met with the being at the end of the book, doesn't truly fit with Flemeth to me. BTW, I am certain he knew he was a dead man when he went to meat his "master".
Flemeth has only been in one of the 4 books so far. Stolen throne. She wasn't in The calling, Asunder, or ME, so her being absent doesn't really mean a lot.
Part of me is beginning to suspect that Flemeth isn't worried or concerned with Thedas at large, just her little corner of it.
She wasn't present, but her influence was felt. Flemeth was the one who set Loghain and Maric on their path, and Flemeth was the one who set events in motion that would eventually lead to the Mage-Templar War. Only in The Masked Empire is her influence completely missing (at first glance anyway).
Only a few nobles?
You're right, I should off the whole hunting party and show all of Orlais the might of the Inquisition! 
Orlesian nobles are just insufferable. They must support me, or they have to go. 
You're right, I should off the whole hunting party and show all of Orlais the might of the Inquisition!
Orlesian nobles are just insufferable. They must support me, or they have to go.
I think you severely overestimate the power of the Inquisition.
I think you severely overestimate the power of the Inquisition.
Chill, its just a joke.
It has been stated several times by different characters and even developers that the offspring of an human and an elf is a human, period. There really isn't anything special about them; they are not particularly graceful when compared to other humans or anything like that.
But the point is that Michel didn't have magic-nullifying abilities or enchanted armor. Just normal steel and skill and he won.
Chill, its just a joke.
On the BSN you never know.
I didn't imply anything else or that it took away or enhanced his skill or anything like that so I agree with you, he used none of that he was just exceptionally skilled and I mentioned as much, he also killed like what 7 other skilled elven warriors.
Yes, makes me hope that the Human Warrior is a Chevalier.
Yes, makes me hope that the Human Warrior is a Chevalier.
That'd be really cool! I'd probably role a human warrior, and being a Chevalier would be perfect.
Human Warrior - Chevalier
Human Rogue - Bard
Human Mage - Circle/Noble Apostate.
Make it happen, Bioware!
isn't there already a thread for this?
Human Warrior - Chevalier
Human Rogue - Bard
Human Mage - Circle/Noble Apostate.
Make it happen, Bioware!
I would definitely be down with that.
I'm hoping for maybe a Noble Apostate for the Mage, maybe your parents hid you from the Circle, like Lienne de Montsimmard.
Yes, makes me hope that the Human Warrior is a Chevalier.
I highly doubt that the human PC is going to be Orlesian, much less a Chevalier, since the name Trevelyan is an old English name, which would correnspond well with Ferelden names.
I would definitely be down with that.
I'm hoping for maybe a Noble Apostate for the Mage, maybe your parents hid you from the Circle, like Lienne de Montsimmard.
That would be a cool background. So far I've been assuming the human mage would just be a Circle mage and headcanoning they were a child of a minor noble. But noble apostate would be very nice indeed.
I highly doubt that the human PC is going to be Orlesian, much less a Chevalier, since the name Trevelyan is an old English name, which would correnspond well with Ferelden names.
Hush, Emperor. Quit killing our dreams!
Don't have the book yet ...but if I understood correctly Felassan's tatoos did something?
I assume something magical ?Because in theory those tatoos are made of blood...
Are Vallaslins some kind of blood magic thing and not just an adulthood ritual ?
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