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#151
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Don't have the book yet ...but if I understood correctly Felassan's tatoos did something?

I assume something magical ?Because in theory those tatoos are made of blood...

Are Vallaslins some kind of blood magic thing and not just an adulthood ritual ?

 

 

Wait, I don't think his tattoos did anything. They were normal Dalish blood writing.



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I highly doubt that the human PC is going to be Orlesian, much less a Chevalier, since the name Trevelyan is an old English name, which would correnspond well with Ferelden names.

 

Actually, Trevelyan is Cornish, and the Cornish language was Brittonic which is Wales, Cornwall and Brittany. It could work for a name on either side of the Frostback Mountains then if we take the parallels more seriously.



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Actually, Trevelyan is Cornish, and the Cornish language was Brittonic which is Wales, Cornwall and Brittany. It could work for a name on either side of the Frostback Mountains then if we take the parallels more seriously.

 

Its apparently confirmed that there will be two sets of voices for the Inquisitor. One with an American accent and one with an English (they might have said British) accent. Since the Orlesian accent is french i also doubt the human Inquisitor will be Orlesian.



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Hush, Emperor. Quit killing our dreams!

But, but, but.... My dream is to break your dreams  :(  Would you really hold me from my dreams just to complete yours?  :crying:

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But, but, but.... My dream is to break your dreams  :(  Would you really hold me from my dreams just to complete yours?  :crying:

*snip*

But of course. Only MY dreams are important. Yours can go burn in hell for all I care. :)



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Speaking of burning dreams, I just noticed Ishmael claimed that there are tombs beneath Orlais, dating back to Arlathan, where the noble elven dead were buried.

Now, considering that he is one of the Forbidden Ones, I think we have a confirmation that those stories about immortality were just talltales the elves told their children to make them seem more important than they really are.



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Speaking of burning dreams, I just noticed Ishmael claimed that there are tombs beneath Orlais, dating back to Arlathan, where the noble elven dead were buried.

Now, considering that he is one of the Forbidden Ones, I think we have a confirmation that those stories about immortality were just talltales the elves told their children to make them seem more important than they really are.

It's certainly possible. However, I do believe the elves of old were probably able to live much longer lifespans, and this eventually became romanticized into "immortality".



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Also, Ishmael claims that the Eluvians have been asleep since Orlais tooks the Dales which implies they were awake at that time. However, we know Tevinter didn't manage to make them function which means, the Dalish found some way 700 years before.

Maybe there is more to the Orlesian-Dalish war than we know...



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Speaking of burning dreams, I just noticed Ishmael claimed that there are tombs beneath Orlais, dating back to Arlathan, where the noble elven dead were buried.

Now, considering that he is one of the Forbidden Ones, I think we have a confirmation that those stories about immortality were just talltales the elves told their children to make them seem more important than they really are.

There were Tombs in the Brecillian Forest aswell. Elves of Arlathan built tombs to eachother, though not to bury the dead, but for the purpose of Uthenera (or whatever they called it). Or at least, that is an interpretation of the stories, and the explanation of the usage of the word "Tomb".



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Also, Ishmael claims that the Eluvians have been asleep since Orlais tooks the Dales which implies they were awake at that time. However, we know Tevinter didn't manage to make them function which means, the Dalish found some way 700 years before.

Maybe there is more to the Orlesian-Dalish war than we know...

Circles within circles. However, they do mention that the corpses at the heart of the matrix were from the ancient elven era, so perhaps merely the center part of the network was unreachable before. Perhaps one or two mirrors could still be activated, which would explain the Brecilian forest mirror as well as Morrigan's.



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There were Tombs in the Brecillian Forest aswell. Elves of Arlathan built tombs to eachother, though not to bury the dead, but for the purpose of Uthenera (or whatever they called it). Or at least, that is an interpretation of the stories, and the explanation of the usage of the word "Tomb".

Ah, but Ishmael specifically claims that they were dead. "noble elven dead" are the exact words he uses. And we know he already existed back then and there is no reason for him to lie to Ser Michel on such an insignificant detail.



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I love how this novel gave us some nice tidbits of info to shake up some of the old lore.



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Ah, but Ishmael specifically claims that they were dead. "noble elven dead" are the exact words he uses. And we know he already existed back then and there is no reason for him to lie to Ser Michel on such an insignificant detail.

 

I wonder if they expanded their life cycles with bloodmagic in a similar way that Zatherin did via his curse.



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I wonder if they expanded their life cycles with bloodmagic in a similar way that Zatherin did via his curse.

They could very well have been long lived naturally back then.



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It's certainly possible. However, I do believe the elves of old were probably able to live much longer lifespans, and this eventually became romanticized into "immortality".

Doubt it. After what we learned of the elves of old, they most likely did use blood magic and their slaves as sacrifices. Really, I think the devs love making the Dalish look worst with each installment. Hopefully we'll be able to destroy this stupid group and help the real group that needs help.



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Doubt it. After what we learned of the elves of old, they most likely did use blood magic and their slaves as sacrifices. Really, I think the devs love making the Dalish look worst with each installment. Hopefully we'll be able to destroy this stupid group and help the real group that needs help.

It's certainly possible. It's all just theory. But regardless, I do believe they were long lived, through blood magic or by other means. There was definitely no immortality.



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It's certainly possible. It's all just theory. But regardless, I do believe they long lived, blood magic or no. There was definitely no immortality.

Oh we can agree they did live long, that is a give in, however it seems to be pointing to blood magic, which we know is not too far fecthed because we have two examples of two mages using blood magic to live well past their time, one which was a human.

 

Of course I'm just bias on the elves of old and Dalish. GO CITY ELVES!



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Ah, but Ishmael specifically claims that they were dead. "noble elven dead" are the exact words he uses. And we know he already existed back then and there is no reason for him to lie to Ser Michel on such an insignificant detail.

Well, old age is not the only source of death in Thedas... I'm not saying I believe in the immortality of the Arlathan Elves, I am just saying that the presence of tombs, does not preclude immortality.



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Oh we can agree they did live long, that is a give in, however it seems to be pointing to blood magic, which we know is not too far fecthed because we have two examples of two mages using blood magic to live well past their time, one which was a human.

 

Of course I'm just bias on the elves of old and Dalish. GO CITY ELVES!

Meh, I do feel more for the city elves than the Dalish. That being said, I'm still not liking that Briala has all that power.



#170
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Meh, I do feel more for the city elves than the Dalish. That being said, I'm still not liking that Briala has all that power.

Maybe it might be a conflict in DAI?



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You don't burry people in graves if they are asleep ...it's like putting someone in the ground if the person is in a coma.

Nobody does that.

I've always thought Uthenera was ridiculous , it sounds like something you'd chant if someone was dead + the burial sites.

I'm not sure the Dalish understand metaphor very well.



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Well, old age is not the only source of death in Thedas... I'm not saying I believe in the immortality of the Arlathan Elves, I am just saying that the presence of tombs, does not preclude immortality.

True, no way around that. And if the noble elves were as prone to backstabbing as the modern human ones as it is implied, one can expect there would be a need for tombs for them.

However, much of this novel's content was a deconstruction of the Dalish myths surrounding Arlathan and this definitively brings into question the immortality theory.



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They could very well have been long lived naturally back then.

 

True but I have a feeling that wasn't the case. I don't doubt they lived longer the CEs currently due but I feel it's more likely due to the poor conditions of alienages and lack of access to healing magic.


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True, no way around that. And if the noble elves were as prone to backstabbing as the modern human ones as it is implied, one can expect there would be a need for tombs for them.

However, much of this novel's content was a deconstruction of the Dalish myths surrounding Arlathan and this definitively brings into question the immortality theory.

Hang on. In the novel we came across a dead elf that had been in uthenera. Was that from early Dalish elves or actual Arlathan elves?



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Just finished chapter 7, and Gaspard is slaying Celene on all counts right now. He beat her at the Game, and now once in battle. I dislike Gaspard, but he's so well done and entertaining, I want him to make an appearance on every page from now on. And Briala is crazy talented and smart, unraveling Gaspard's trickery before anyone else, but she has a bit of a lowdown side to her too, not telling Celene about a possible ambush. I don't think that little piece of vengeance is going to be worth it in the end, but I guess I understand it. I need Celene to make a strong comeback in the next few chapters, she's looking rather weak as Empress now.


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