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How much of the Templar/Mage conflict do you want in DA:I?


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#76
EmperorSahlertz

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It also doesn't change the fact that he directly confirmed that elves are indeed allowed to become templars.

DG wouldn't even plan for Evangeline to be a elf templar if it wasn't possible.

Until an ELven Templar ACTUALLY appears, what MIGHT have been holds no meaning. For all intents and purposes there are NO Elven Templars in Thedas. That is the long and short of it as it is.



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if i were to choose between picking sides in mage/templar conflict and fighting another archdemon-evil-boss-thing, i'd choose the former (although i have no idea which side i'd pick - that there is the reason why love this story arc). some diversity would be nice too, but it seems that will be covered by orlesian civil war, so... "yay!".



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Then allow me to clarify: I would enjoy seeing the primary "hot war" component of the overall conflict where both sides are fighting on more-or-less equal grounds to end in this game. Instances of conflict may well drag out beyond that, but let me put it this way: anything that's dramatic enough to be a major part of a DA game, I would like finished in this one.

 

Why should they Devs limit themselves to that? They haven't finished the Darkspawn, or the Dwarves, or the Free Marches, or anything else in the DA Games. They could even retramp across Ferelden if they want.

 

 

Regardless, question for you. What is your definition of a mage victory in the current conflict? What metrics and  conditionals must be met for it to be a 'win' for the mages?



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Until an ELven Templar ACTUALLY appears, what MIGHT have been holds no meaning. For all intents and purposes there are NO Elven Templars in Thedas. That is the long and short of it as it is.

I don't see a Dalish elf aspiring to become a Templar. First thing he has to do will be to put his keeper in the Circle.
Also Templars are servants of the Chantry and the Dalish don't give damn about it.
City elves are oppressed and it is highly unlikely for one to be inducted into an organization like the Templars. (City elf Warden is an exception).
Bioware could come up with a suitable plot for a Dalish or city elf Templar character though.

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Why should they Devs limit themselves to that? They haven't finished the Darkspawn, or the Dwarves, or the Free Marches, or anything else in the DA Games. They could even retramp across Ferelden if they want.

 

 

Regardless, question for you. What is your definition of a mage victory in the current conflict? What metrics and  conditionals must be met for it to be a 'win' for the mages?

In large part because I'd like to look beyond Andrastian Thedas in the next game. I think dwarven issues arising from Kal Sharok will be handled in DAI as well, and am fairly sure that the darkspawn will be making a comeback later, although I really don't think that anything that much more needs to be said about the Free Marches.

 

Regardless, my conditions are thus: the disbanding, destruction or capitulation of the Templar Order, where they would surrender all attempts to retake control of the Circle.


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Regardless, my conditions are thus: the disbanding, destruction or capitulation of the Templar Order, where they would surrender all attempts to retake control of the Circle.

 

 

That seems a definition of Templar defeat rather than Mage Victory. A Qunari-like system is an alternative outcome for the mages, after all: secular national powers could stitch their lips and collar them without any Circle. It's also a pretty short-term one: the Templar Order could surrender all attempts to retake control of the Circle and go back on it a few years down the road. Or be replaced by another institution that can do the same.

 

But let it be recorded (and bookmarked for posterity): I'll happily give you kudos for victory in DAI if this comes about, and mercilessly mock you for defeat if it doesn't come about.


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That seems a definition of Templar defeat rather than Mage Victory. A Qunari-like system is an alternative outcome for the mages, after all: secular national powers could stitch their lips and collar them without any Circle. It's also a pretty short-term one: the Templar Order could surrender all attempts to retake control of the Circle and go back on it a few years down the road. Or be replaced by another institution that can do the same.

 

But let it be recorded (and bookmarked for posterity): I'll happily give you kudos for victory in DAI if this comes about, and mercilessly mock you for defeat if it doesn't come about.

It might, but remember that this is a game and not reality: ending a plot only to restart it again later with only token differences in the participants happens far less often in fiction (aside from episodic things like TV shows and comic books) than in real life.

 

Also, not achieving victory isn't the same thing as being defeated; if the war is inconclusive by the end of this game, I won't necessarily be that upset.


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One way it could end would be making all mages lose their magic(not Tranquil). There do seem to be a lot of Fade elements in DA:I



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"Sensing" Templar training is right there with Chantry Mother sensing the Mage, both of them being absurd. I can understand some Mages sensing others due to being adept Mages, but honestly, the whole "sensing" talent has always bugged me. I just want to be a Mage/Blood Mage who's only found out if he actually uses his talents.



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One way it could end would be making all mages lose their magic(not Tranquil). There do seem to be a lot of Fade elements in DA:I

That's one way I'm sure it will not end, as it'd remove the mage class from later games.



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interesting thought, once you seal up all the tears... all the magic is gone...  but that would that take away from future mage plays



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That's one way I'm sure it will not end, as it'd remove the mage class from later games.

 

No big loss there.



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No big loss there.

I'd personally prefer to have it end by turning everyone into a mage.



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Lets NOT go the ME3 route this time around?



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That's one way I'm sure it will not end, as it'd remove the mage class from later games.

 

I don't see that happening, and given Sandal's prophecy, it seems unlikely: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."


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I don't see that happening, and given Sandal's prophecy, it seems unlikely: "One day the magic will come back. All of it. Everyone will be just like they were. The shadows will part, and the skies will open wide. When he rises, everyone will see."

 

And Sandal magically knows this because what? He has the gift of prophecy?

 

._. People put way to much stock into the musing of fools and mummers in Dragon Age.

 

 

I'd personally prefer to have it end by turning everyone into a mage.

 

I see that as unlikely to happen as them magically making every one green again.

 

I think they learned their lesson.



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And Sandal magically knows this because what? He has the gift of prophecy?

 

._. People put way to much stock into the musing of fools and mummers in Dragon Age.


Sandal has many mysterious gifts. Don't knock prophecy.

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Sandal has many mysterious gifts. Don't knock prophecy.

 

No, he is a lyrium addled loon until Bioware gives proof otherwise.

 

I bet you all will feel rather silly once Bioware just puts him out as a crazy lyrium deranged dwarf.



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No, he is a lyrium addled loon until Bioware gives proof otherwise.

 

I bet you all will feel rather silly once Bioware just puts him out as a crazy lyrium deranged dwarf.

 

And you can say that with absolute certainty, because??


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ENCHANTMENT!   (i think u made him mad)



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25% sounds about right with an intelligent, logical resolution that doesn't involve shooting a magical pillar, grabbing hold of golum control rods, or leaping into a Veil tear.

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No, he is a lyrium addled loon until Bioware gives proof otherwise.

 

I bet you all will feel rather silly once Bioware just puts him out as a crazy lyrium deranged dwarf.

 

And if Bioware makes it true, you'll feel silly saying the opposite.

 

Time, and Bioware, will tell. 



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Since this is a 'war' started and driven by zealot ideologs dragging their respective factions into stupidity, I think time to deal with those driving individuals one way or another will be enough.  I figure about the length of the Brecilian Forest arc, for either side, should do it.



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No, he is a lyrium addled loon until Bioware gives proof otherwise.

 

I bet you all will feel rather silly once Bioware just puts him out as a crazy lyrium deranged dwarf.

 

This made me laugh. 

 

I kinda hope it's true now. 



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Wolfen09

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truly, i think at most its gonna be bringing them together temporarily till the crisis is over and it will be solved in later games